Kyogre's Roar downgrade

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

As quoted in a versus thread, it is that Kyogre's calc needs to be re-calculated because it needs to use C.A.P.E, which is likely to be a severe downgrade.

The Pokémon that will be affected by this downgrade will be: Primal Kyogre, Primal Groudon, Base Rayquaza, Mega Latios and Mega Latias

General thoughts on this?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yes it needs to be remade,you could ask someone to do it I guess.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Could you ask to someone to do this? I need to go to sleep now

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I was absent for most of the storm discussion; why does Kyogre's storm need a recalc?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Something about C.A.P.E

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well I see that, but what happened and why does it effect Kyogre?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

CAPE is the default for storm calcs now (much to my chagrin). People have to prove KE now.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Well lovely. Was anything updated in the methodology? It has been a while since I've done a CAPE calc.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

@Assaltwaffle

I think the Standard Storm calculations have been updated and I think you can use this to recalculate the storm of Primal Kyogre

 

[Kepekley23]

@Assalt

Replace all the instances of 13km with 8km, multiply the result in kilograms by ~5500-6000j/kg due to it being a really violent storm and that's about it.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

If that's the case the StarCraft verse will also take a hit. I wonder what tier Amon will fall into as a result.

 

[Kepekley23]

Pretty sure StarCraft's storm was blatant KE.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Unfortunately it isn't. I'm the one who initially requested it and it is anstorm creation that isn't visually shown. It would probably need to be redone.

 

[GyroNutz]

If I've got this right:

Radius for the storm's spherical surface area = 6371km + 12km = 6383km

Surface area = 5.12x10^8 km^2

Radius of a circle using previous surface area = 12766.15km

Height of new cylinder = 8km

Area of storm cylinder = 4.1x10^9 km^3 or 4.1x10^18 m^3

4.1 x 10^18 * 1.003 = 4.112 x 10^18 kg

If we use Kep's first suggestion of 5500kg, we get 2.2616 x 10^22 J

If we use 6000kg, we get 2.4672 x 10^22 J

Both of them are Small Country level+

 

[Kepekley23]

Wow, harsh downgrade is harsh.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

CAPE is the worst thing to ever happen to the wiki. Mik be darned.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Holy shit that downgrade.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Wait, what happened to that Primal Groudon Moon level feat? Can we use it?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Technically that was Base Groudon's feat

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The Almighty CAPE strikes again. I dread who it's next victim shall be.

 

[Kepekley23]

It isn't usable either way due to the original Narutoforums blog having been taken down.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Is there no other notable feat of Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre to calculate? As for example, Primal Groudon would vaporize the oceans of the planet if the protagonist had not stopped it?

 

[Kepekley23]

Vaporizing the oceans is a few hundred petatons, aka High 6-A.

 

[Kepekley23]

Hey, look at the bright side. Mega Rayquaza will still be 5-B.

 

[GyroNutz]

And Groudon gets his loss vs Naruto removed

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Well, at least Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre would still be High 6-A, but at an even higher end

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Hey, look at the bright side. Mega Rayquaza will still be 5-B.

; )
The Trio Wheater is my second favorite trio in Pokémon franchise, so I'm trying to find a notable feat of Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre to calculate

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Unfortunately vaporizing the oceans isn't even a usable feat for Groudon. We have no idea how long it would take but it certainly isn't in 1 attack/1 second.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I doubt he could do that in battle

 

[GyroNutz]

I doubt he could do that in battle

He does it passively, sorta

 

[GyroNutz]

So: Primals Groudo, Kyogre and base Rayquaza all get 'At least High 6-A, likely higher' for being immensely above their base forms (Groudon and Kyogre)/superior to both Primal Groudon + Primal Kyogre (Rayquaza). They get the 'likely higher' because Primal Groudon staggered Mega Rayquaza with an attack.

Megas Latios and Latias get either 'High 6-A' or the same rating as the primals, pretty much scaling for the same reason as before.

Mega Rayquaza remains 5-B for his two 5-B feats.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

@Gyro Hmmm so instead of the storm calc they'll scale to something else now that is High 6-A?

 

[GyroNutz]

They'd be scaled far above base Groudon, who 'raised the continents'.

They also scale (Base Groudon + Kyogre) above Regice, Registeel and Regirock, who scale to Regigigas, who could tow continents which I believe was calced at High 6-A.

For what it's worth, Groudon's and Kyogre's smash trophies say that they created the continents/oceans respectively.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Groudon raised the continents, yes, but he did that over an unknown period of time with an unknown methodology. Same with Kyogre.

They now lack feats above Country level.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

They get the 'likely higher' because Primal Groudon staggered Mega Rayquaza with an attack.

Because of that special Pokémon XY Act III? Probably both Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre should have a "likely far higher" or "possibly 5-B" rather than "likely higher" since Mega Rayquaza is a 5-B and Primal Groudon staggered MR in the special

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I don't think raising the continents is applicable since it was done over time correct?

What of the regigigas moving them?

 

[GyroNutz]

This calc here.

It'd have to be evaluated here tho, if it hasn't already.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I don't think raising the continents is applicable since it was done over time correct?

What of the regigigas moving them?

The calc for them used force, which isn't a 1 to 1 for energy. We also have no idea how fast Regigigas pulled them or how large of a continent was pulled. So many variables that basically end with it being unquantifiable.

 

[GyroNutz]

Another thing: Kyogre in Mystery Dungeon blue rescue team, iirc, states that it created the oceans. Still unquantifiable though, ig

 

[Kepekley23]

About the storm feat, wouldn't in-game Groudon scale to dispersing it nigh instantly passively?