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Kumagawa's All Fiction

@Cal

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So now that im on my laptop i can explain.

The time stop and stuff is pretty special as it is not 4D as in "high 3-A or Low 2-C". It affects specifically the 4th dimension and nothing else, so it is not infinitely greater than 3D, because it is incapable of interacting with the 3rd dimension at all.

All fiction is not the case here cus all fiction can affect anything up to the 4th dimension instead of being limited to the 4th dimension only.
 
All beings need the 4th dimension to "move" to be able to act. If the 4th dimension doesn't move then they are all stuck. Them being stuck is an after effect of time stopping. Time stop cannot stop the 3rd dimension (example stop space). because it is specifically meant to mess with the 4th dimension and nothing else.

With all fiction or other hax things change. Because AF can erase matter, memories, and even time. It's not just a specialized normal hax that can affect time. It can affect everything including time.

At least that's how i think it works (that we treat normal time hax as hax rather than 4D).
 
I want to ask, why u scale this to every other ability and treat the whole Resistance(lihiko) being 4D?, i mean 4D AF is come from erase people from entire timeline thats mean they just have 4D erasure or 3D erasure which work on 4D range but why u act like AF superior than any other 3D ability?
 
Because erasing someone from the totality of a timeline is a 4D ability. Nuking a the surface of the planet isn't a 4D ability, but nuking the surface of the planet across past present and future is a 4D ability. Thus, Kumagawa having the ability to erase someone in past and present so they never existed is a 4D power
 
Something I want to say is that Most Reality Warpers who can erase people/object like All Fiction can would have 4-D hax.

I think there are a lot of the characters and they could probably blur the line between Haxes resistance and dimensionality.
 
My main question is why u scale this to every other ability and lihiko whole Resistance?

4D AF come from erase people from entire timeline then thats just 4D erasure and resistance to 4D erasure, not sure why u scale this to their other resistance and ability
 
This is literally the first time I hear that erasing a single person across a timeline is 4D when erasing the entire timeline itself is only Low 2-C
 
Elizhaa said:
Something I want to say is that Most Reality Warpers who can erase people/object like All Fiction can would have 4-D hax.
I think they are a lot and it could probabl blur the line between Haxes resistance and dimensionality.
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As long as they can effect them across past and present, sure
 
3 dimensional beings move through time linearly. If time is stopped than they are stopped. Which is directly affecting the 3rd dimension. Space stops when time stops.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
This is literally the first time I hear that erasing a single person across a timeline is 4D when erasing the entire timeline itself is only Low 2-C
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I'm not sure what you mean by "only" low 2-C for erasing a timeline. You do realize you can be 4D without being low 2-C, which is what High 3-A is for
 
We're changing that. High 3-A is only for infinite 3D. Anyway, it makes no sense for someone to be 4D for easing someone in Past Presesnt and Future. What's next, 4D precog for who can see the past present and future of a person?
 
GLHF22 said:
My main question is why u scale this to every other ability and lihiko whole Resistance?
4D AF come from erase people from entire timeline then thats just 4D erasure and resistance to 4D erasure, not sure why u scale this to their other resistance and ability
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Because there are skills that scale from AF. Iihiko stopped having resistance, and now just has power nullification. Him being able to negate all fiction means he can negate 4D powers and attacks.

Real Eater can modify 4D powers since it can modify All Fiction. Book Maker can seal 4D powers since it can seal Wrong Conversion's Nothing, which works by the same fundamentals as AF. Etc. Etc.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
We're changing that. High 3-A is only for infinite 3D. Anyway, it makes no sense for someone to be 4D for easing someone in Past Presesnt and Future. What's next, 4D precog for who can see the past present and future of a person?
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Cool. Once its changed we can talk about changing how the standard effects AF. If the precog can actually be directly weaponized, then potentially, but I'm not sure how you would treat observation that way
 
Thats it he just can negate 4D erasure not every other 3D ability, AF just have 4D erasure Its reality Warping and the whole ability is not 4D , only its EE

So the other resistance and ability do not scale.
 
That's not how it works. We do not assume that because someone can mindhax a higher dimensional, their mental abilities only applies in that potency to higher dimensionals. If you can mind hax a higher dimensional, then you should be able to mind hax someone of your own dimensional level with that same force. Iihiko's power null isnt magically stronger against that specifically

It's not resistance any more, I dont know what you are talking about
 
I mean, AF have other function rather than just erase people, it also have reality Warping etc, but do we treat its reality Warping, etc is also 4D?
 
If the other applications is not 4D then it shouldnt scale to other ability except 4D erasure and resistance to it, since AF is not solid 4D so think you cant scale it to other ability thats has nothing to do with erasure
 
That is not what I said. I said that the other applications would not manifest any notable difference beyond bypassing other powers. Erasing someone's memories on a 4D scale would theoretically make it so that they never had that memory to begin with. However, other applications would have no notable difference. That does not mean they are not 4D
 
Again, this is like saying anyone who can null time stop or fate manipulation or any other temporal ability can null any other ability, which is false
 
Not exactly. Again you're taking the "purely 4D unable to affect 3D stuff" abilities. Think of it this way. Is power null that can null 4D EE, 4D? The answer is yes, it is.
 
@Cal


You missed the nuance. It is not that Iihiko can null a mere temporal ability, it is that he can null a temporal ability that effects the timeline past and present.

Unless I have misunderstood what you meant, and you are implying that power null must work on a given type of power before it can be assumed to work on that given ability. Like one cannot null elemental manip unless they have specifically shown to be capable of it
 
Time is a temporal dimension not a spatial one.

And physics doesn't assume the "4th" dimension to be time. Rather because we live in a 4 dimensional continuum, it's incorrectly usually refereed to as "the 4th" dimension, usually for simplicity's sake, and that's where the confusion between spatial and temporal dimension usually comes from.

In physics you would usually see them call it 3 (spatial) + 1 (temporal) dimensions, instead of just "4 dimensions".
 
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