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YesEmperorRorepme said:
I'll also leave from here, i've gived my opinion, that all i can do.
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Kumagawa's All Fiction
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I'll also leave from here, i've gived my opinion, that all i can do.
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Erasing a portion of time is not 4D. Lmao.
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But it's indeed 4-D. as everyone in the thread already know.EmperorRorepme said:
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How?
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Time is already 4-D, whatever the size, it can be the size of a room or the size of a universe, time is the same everywhere, Erasing Time in a room is 4-D via...erasing time, Erasing Time on a Universal Scale is also 4-D but in an higher scale
As the same manner as Erasing water in your toilet (for exemple), you still erase water but in a lower scale that if you erase all the water in your toilet, the scale is not the same.
But that doesn't mean that Kuma can Erase Time of the Universe, it's 4-D but in his scale but in the same way, i just talk about the erasing feat, Fire gived more arguments about the 4-D scale.
As the same manner as Erasing water in your toilet (for exemple), you still erase water but in a lower scale that if you erase all the water in your toilet, the scale is not the same.
But that doesn't mean that Kuma can Erase Time of the Universe, it's 4-D but in his scale but in the same way, i just talk about the erasing feat, Fire gived more arguments about the 4-D scale.
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I guess anyone who can manipulate time is actually manipulating the 4D right?
Time being the 4D massively depends on the fictional verse. Mathmatically time is not the 4th dimension and it only relies on scientific theories. It's treated as a temporal dimension not a spatial one.
If in the verse time = 4D and he erases time then sure.
Time being the 4D massively depends on the fictional verse. Mathmatically time is not the 4th dimension and it only relies on scientific theories. It's treated as a temporal dimension not a spatial one.
If in the verse time = 4D and he erases time then sure.
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But yes, Manipulate Time is by definition is a 4-D ability (it mostly depend of the power's mechanics, for exemple, Sakuya Izayoi's Time manipulation is 4-D) but it's only 4-D via this manipulation, if you can affect Time with an ability (via burning it or something like that) this ability is 4-D because it affect TimeEmperorRorepme said:
It depend of the fictional verse sure but it treat time as 4-D without contrary indication or i'am not aware of proving that Time is 4-D in verse and not the contrary.
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4th D being time is a standard for all verses unless shown/proven otherwise.
And about all time hax. Well yes and no. While yes all time hax are 4D, it's different from being truly 4D, as they are specialized in manipulating time and nothing else. If the ability is strictly time based it usually doesn't gain all the properties of 4D (unless it's a grand scale). Things change if the ability is not specialized for time but works on it as well. Same reason why KC was never High 3-A, but GER was despite them doing the same feat but KC doing it and GER undoing it. Because KC is just specialized time hax not overall erasure.
To explain it better. Specialized time hax is stritctly 4D, it's not 3D, 2D, 1D etc. It can only work on the 4th Dimension and nothing else, so it's very specific and doesn't gain the bonus of being stronger than 3D due to not having anything to do with the 3rd dimension.
A non specialized hax that works on time is another deal. EE that works on objects but is then used on time is 4D (stronger than 3D) as it doesn't strictly mess with the 4th dimension and nothing else. It works on everything up to the 4th dimension.
At least that's how i think it is.
And about all time hax. Well yes and no. While yes all time hax are 4D, it's different from being truly 4D, as they are specialized in manipulating time and nothing else. If the ability is strictly time based it usually doesn't gain all the properties of 4D (unless it's a grand scale). Things change if the ability is not specialized for time but works on it as well. Same reason why KC was never High 3-A, but GER was despite them doing the same feat but KC doing it and GER undoing it. Because KC is just specialized time hax not overall erasure.
To explain it better. Specialized time hax is stritctly 4D, it's not 3D, 2D, 1D etc. It can only work on the 4th Dimension and nothing else, so it's very specific and doesn't gain the bonus of being stronger than 3D due to not having anything to do with the 3rd dimension.
A non specialized hax that works on time is another deal. EE that works on objects but is then used on time is 4D (stronger than 3D) as it doesn't strictly mess with the 4th dimension and nothing else. It works on everything up to the 4th dimension.
At least that's how i think it is.
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@Causality.
The toliet example though....for real?
The toliet example though....for real?
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Actually imma go Causality style and use random examples to explain the time hax vs 4D point.
As you may know noodles can fix a ton of stuff, im sure you've watched some video at some point. Let's say we have a chair, a sink and a car. In that specific order (ordered by difficulty to fix). If most types of noodles work only on the chair and sink but there is a special type of noodle that can fix a car too then it means that that noodle is better than the others as it is does what the others already do, and more.
Now we take an actual iron part of a car that has been broken and put it on the car and boom the car is fixed. Does that mean that the iron part is actually better than the basic noodles? No. While it does fix the car that the noodles can't, it can fix that and ONLY that. It cannot be used to fix the sink or chair. So it is not "better" it is just different. Just because it interacts with something the others can't doesn't make it better as it cannot interact with another thing the rest can.
That's the difference between basic time hax and other hax being used on time.
Causality you set a good example
As you may know noodles can fix a ton of stuff, im sure you've watched some video at some point. Let's say we have a chair, a sink and a car. In that specific order (ordered by difficulty to fix). If most types of noodles work only on the chair and sink but there is a special type of noodle that can fix a car too then it means that that noodle is better than the others as it is does what the others already do, and more.
Now we take an actual iron part of a car that has been broken and put it on the car and boom the car is fixed. Does that mean that the iron part is actually better than the basic noodles? No. While it does fix the car that the noodles can't, it can fix that and ONLY that. It cannot be used to fix the sink or chair. So it is not "better" it is just different. Just because it interacts with something the others can't doesn't make it better as it cannot interact with another thing the rest can.
That's the difference between basic time hax and other hax being used on time.
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I'm pretty sure it would just be a line highlighting that All Fiction erases both past and present
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Yeah, as i said no real changes would have to go to the profiles, so just stating that things "never existed" should be fine.
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Yes, I have realized that.Antvasima said:
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is it cool if i add a bit to the summary? Just a sentence about him being the protag of the good loser kumagawa spin off
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Just Kumagawa and Medaka
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Btw while we're at it. I just realized we have Iihiko Shishime's page listed as "Power Null and then a bunch of powers". Shouldn't it just be power null? Seems uselessly crowded to like all 900 powers we've seen him negate.
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yeah, i was thinking that too
Can we also add supernatural luck to Iihiko's page since that is a standard thing for Heroes?
Can we also add supernatural luck to Iihiko's page since that is a standard thing for Heroes?
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Oh also, Iihiko is missing a weakness from his profile. He needs the fact that he can potentially convinced to recognize an attack should the opponent get him interested and convince him it is "Fresh"
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Are you fine with the weakness and luck addition?
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Are you gonna personally take care of changing the profiles Ant?
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All heroes have supernatural luck, since we already know they have superior luck to abnormals which all have supernatural luck.Antvasima said:
The second isn't speculation at all, because that is literally how Medaka got him to recognize her attack
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@Ant I made the changes on Medaka and Kumagawa's profile, you can check them and close the profiles.
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Shouldn't the 4d from all fiction also apply to Ajimu's hundred gauntlets since that is where all fiction came from?
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Nah All Fiction is the upgraded version, we cannot assume the not upgraded version has the same effect.
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Yeah.
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Alright, I'm going to be hated a lot for reopening this old topic but...
While of course All Fiction is a 4-D ability, what does that have to do with anything? Everyone already acknowledges that all temporal/casual abilities are 4-D in nature, whether it's Kumagawa or Dio. Because the temporal dimension is 4-D. So why is Ihiko's all special for negating this kind of ability when we don't hype up anyone who resists or nullifies time stop like this?
While of course All Fiction is a 4-D ability, what does that have to do with anything? Everyone already acknowledges that all temporal/casual abilities are 4-D in nature, whether it's Kumagawa or Dio. Because the temporal dimension is 4-D. So why is Ihiko's all special for negating this kind of ability when we don't hype up anyone who resists or nullifies time stop like this?
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Because this is not time hax it's casualty hax. That can be used on time. That only applies to small scale time hax specifically.
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I'm afraid I don't understand your point.
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