Void Manipulation and EE for Purple
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In that case, you don't even understand what I mean
I wasn't the one who suggested this so I'm neural hence why I didn't reply to this part. Really the only thing I'm even here for Purple and Infinity.
- Cursed Spirits having Incorporeality and inherent/passive Intangibility (thought he was gonna respond to that, too
I mean I think its a bit weird for ce to be npi when its been stated that only lesser amounts of it are so if someone fires a huge amount it wouldn't be npi? Like if less amounts are intangible and higher amounts aren't, then wouldn't someone like mechmaru who's firing large blast of it be physical? Just a thought, not really in opposition but I just noticed this.
I am aware of matter interacting with antimatter = mass converted into energy. However I am not aware of any scientific citations about such interactions between imaginary mass (if it exists) and real mass despite searching for them. For example there is this citations about such interaction:
| If a particle traveled faster than the speed of light, it would appear to have 'imaginary' mass as in the square-root of (-1) times its ordinary mass. We have no idea how regular matter and 'imaginary' matter interact, but all forces between real and imaginary matter involving their mass would be 'imaginary' rather than 'real' forces which means we might not actually detect any 'real' effects from them, gravitationally. Two imaginary masses would affect each other via an anti-gravity effect because the product of their imaginary masses would yield a negative sign or 'repulsive' gravitational force. |
Low-Godly allows survival if the soul was removed from the body + creating an entire new body from scratch, which is different subject to soul destruction.
I don't see any statement about atomic destruction. Note that moving atoms, separating atoms, and destroying atoms are different things.
If Gojo is unable to kill him by crushing him into bits, then that is 110% compatible with my position.
Mahito is not hiding his soul, he is just preventing the shape of his soul from changing and thus forcing his body to change to look like his soul. There is no indication that Mahito can exist without a body or that his soul can create an entire new body from scratch.
If a large chunk of his side got erased, then half his ribcage would get erased. To solve this conundrum you propose a headcanon of:
Can you pinpoint/quote where the following is said?
| Sonoda: So next, let’s try thinking something that seems to match. “Purple” is written as the mix of “Red” and “Blue”. Hino: As expected, it’s “void” formula. (Akutami-sensei) wants to use imaginary number, right? So do we stop using Euclidean weighing, and use Minkowski weighing and Koehler manifold instead? Sonoda: The norm is that they are used at the same time, but because it’s a complex domain, it will look like “So you came from that point”. Hino: Ahaha (laugh). Takano: I completely don’t understand what the two of you are excited about (laugh). [...] Thorough consideration of Hollow formula “Purple” Takano: So we have defined “Blue” and “Red” and now we have to think about “Purple”. (Akutami-sensei) said it is a mix of the two but…. Sonoda: Before you said (he) wanted to use imaginary numbers, but isn’t this actually Minkowski metric? Minkowski metric is the result of breaking inner product axiom, but it tolerates minus results from squaring. It resembles imaginary numbers. To explain it simply, it will appear like negative length, and looks like it is hollowed. In opposite, the problem is when you define this, you will wonder if you can define “Blue” and “Red”. Hino: I also don’t know if it can be properly investigated. Since Minkowski also have moving domain in the usual Euclidean target, if we cover it, it will look like that. In simple terms, if we think only in plus axis, it maybe can come to “Blue” or “Red”, but if we think to the direction of imaginary numbers, it looks like it will become “Purple”. I don’t know if it will be equivalent of mixing the two, though. Takano: I see. Let’s establish the assumption for Minkowski metric we talked earlier, it needs closer scrutiny. I will summarize it a bit, So Gojo is a technique user who can tamper with the scale of local distance after all. Actually the space that Gojo deals with looks like it can tolerate special inner product. Hino: With that you can define imaginary numbers-like concept using Minkowski metric. Takano: However, there is no way we can properly investigate whether that assumption can accept “Blue” or “Red”. Let’s just expect it from enthusiastic fans. Hino: Anyway, it’s thanks to those extra pages of Jujutsu Kaisen that I see people who considers the math in quite varying places when they are looked up. Takano: Really… It’s a work that gathers a lot enthusiasm. Sonoda: For now, let’s wrap it at this point, I think people with mathematics knowledge of 3rd year university students can understand it, while the mathematicians can turn to their textbooks. |
I am also interested in seeing at least a handful of those times.
It was brought up a while ago in another thread iirc. Its why purples description mentions expunging matter.
Well the interview is definitely enough. Its extremely detailed and explains the abilities for us so I can't imagine how we'd need more evidence for this. And honestly if this continues we should have the mods go over the validity of the interview since now it's apparently considered not enough.
As I said, this is an honest mistake on my part. I read the statement as "turns the opponent into imaginary number's.", which again has nothing to do with the usage of bad math or science. You really should drop these needles, and quite frankly insulting assumptions.
And luckily nobody here ever said that imaginary means equates into anti-matter. But yes, continue to act overly verbose. Literally your entire argument hinges on using pseudo sophisticated terms in a desperate attempt to make yourself look smarter than you actually are.
Agreed. More powerful curse users appear to use portals to accomplish similar feats.
Disagreed. They are clearly embodiments of humanity's perception of phenomena which makes it type 3. This is why they do not fear death and Jogo states their existence will continue on. Imaginary Vengeful Spirits also directly point to this as they are made of specific concepts from the general public such as the nine tail fox, which obviously is folklore. We also know there is a direct tie into the concept and belief from humanity, as we saw when Nanami stated that the cursed spirit who killed Rock Lee Kun was far past their paygrade due to being a local deity to the people who lived where it resided.
Yes they do that's literally what this scan is and why the cursed spirits gain powers directly tying into what they embody. It's why Hanami had such disdain for humans mucking up Earth and could sap energy from plants. It even states they gained consciousness before taking on the specific form they had echoing Jogo's statements about them being rebirthed even if in a different form. Seems pretty cut and dry.
It doesn't need to. No one is saying they are type 1/2 concepts themselves.
Disagreed due to the above.
All you just said is that they embody it and you proved it via their creation.
Wdym disagreed? They flat out said regular people can touch them. Having NPI for touching something that regular people can touch doesn't make it NPO
Yes they do. They embody the shared type 3 concepts of humanity. Mahito downrights states those conceptualizations directly manifest into said cursed spirits. And once again, if they were distinctly physical objects completely untied from the concepts they embody, then they would not be affected by things such as specific human belief nor have the immortality transcending distinct form that they posses.
"Regular People" in JjK still have cursed energy even if untapped so ineffective interaction with these things wouldn't even necessarily disbar them NPI. Especially when cursed spirits can't even be perceived by most humans from both a visual and tactile frame of reference.
And where do you think the type 8 immortality stems from? It comes from humanity's conceptualization of the phenomena they embody. This is why Jogo and co had consciousness before form, can "live" and be rebirthed, and of course, stemming from their abstract nature.
| Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. [...] All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the use of the power. A character who embodies a concept cannot create, manipulate, or destroy it unless otherwise shown. A character who can create a concept cannot destroy it unless otherwise shown, and vice versa. |
Yes, that is what I am saying. They got abstract existence. There is concept manip in JjK but cursed spirits don't generically have it.It is of note that the portal-like thing is related to entering and exiting an incomplete Domain Expansion near the bridge:
Kechizu is a Death Painting, so he has a physical body and is much more powerful than a low-tier Cursed Spirit.
Embodying a concept + gaining a form of immortality thanks to it is Abstract Existence, and it doesn't automatically grant Conceptual Manipulation. This is strongly implied if not outright stated by the current Conceptual Manipulation page:
It is also possible to find characters with Abstract Existence but no Conceptual Manipulation.
Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts.
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All Conceptual Manipulators are bound by the use of the power. A character who embodies a concept cannot create, manipulate, or destroy it unless otherwise shown. A character who can create a concept cannot destroy it unless otherwise shown, and vice versa.
I don't recall a Cursed Spirit who manipulates a concept; there are Cursed Techniques powered by Cursed Energy that share a theme but that would be stretching it.
At most I'd say Cursed Spirits are the embodiment of negative emotions about a concept rather than the concept used as a theme itself. Since they are literally made by Cursed Energy generated from said negative emotions being collected together.
Abstract Existence can be argued easily, though a counter argument would be that whatever gets born next from the specific negative emotion is a completely different and distinct character from the predecessor.
Being made of cursed energy doesn’t bar them from being abstract. Already posted the scan of Mahito directly saying the concepts themselves manifest into cursed spirits. Moving on.
