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Kirby revisions: Everything coming full circle

Look, I'm sure any proposed P&A additions you want to add are valid.

Having us all surf through the sandbox and try to find what's new would be time consuming and inefficient.

Just put in all the new P&A, it's probably not that major.
 
Now that Magolor's profile got edited with Efi's revisions, when will we discuss making RtDL people flat-out 2-C?

And what about people who scale to Epilogue Magolor getting an LS upgrade?
 
This thing just made explaining 2-C much easier, as inside Another Dimension each ellipsoid is its own dimension, and they are the inter-dimensional rift areas of the game. So they cannot be all the same dimension. I hope we are on the same page.

I need to change the wording later on.
 
Eficiente said:
This thing just made explaining 2-C much easier, as inside Another Dimension each ellipsoid is its own dimension, and they are the inter-dimensional rift areas of the game. So they cannot be all the same dimension. I hope we are on the same page.

I need to change the wording later on.
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But the 15-16 universe cosmology size remains the same, right?
 
Eficiente said:
This thing just made explaining 2-C much easier, as inside Another Dimension each ellipsoid is its own dimension, and they are the inter-dimensional rift areas of the game. So they cannot be all the same dimension. I hope we are on the same page.

I need to change the wording later on.
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I wanted to send this in earlier, actually, but I forgot.

Also, I want to note that the Warp Star's Dimensional Travel needs to be changed. The Warp Star didn't bring them from Nutty Noon to Another Dimension. They're still on Nutty Noon. The sky has just been warped. This is proven in Grand Doomer's pause description in Return to Dream Land Deluxe, which states:

English:
It's the boss of all Doomers, the golden
Grand Doomer! As the skies over Nutty
Noon began to warp, this fearsome foe
swooped in to claim the spheres—and
their dimension-traveling powers!

Japanese (Raw and Translated):
異空まう 金色の巨鳥 グランドローパー。
スフィアのもつ ジゲンをこえる 強いパワーに
ひきよせられて あらわれた！ ナッツヌーンの
上空 ぜんたいが ゆがみ はじめ この、
ローパーの親玉まで よびよせてしまった！

Giant Golden Bird Flying in Another Sky: Grand Lowper. It appeared drawn towards the intense dimension-crossing power held by the Spheres! The entire sky above Nuts Noon began to distort, to the point where it even ended up summoning this boss of the Lowpers!
 
Eseseso said:
But the 15-16 universe cosmology size remains the same, right?
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That's not the size of the cosmology, that's the size of the amount of universes affected by the crown's feat. That much remains the same, in fact 16 rather than 15 becomes more likely, as the area where Magolor is fought, "Another Dimension Bottom", is portrayed as its own thing next to all the other ellipsoids above it. If that needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
CloverDragon03 said:
I wanted to send this in earlier, actually, but I forgot.

Also, I want to note that the Warp Star's Dimensional Travel needs to be changed. The Warp Star didn't bring them from Nutty Noon to Another Dimension. They're still on Nutty Noon. The sky has just been warped. This is proven in Grand Doomer's pause description in Return to Dream Land Deluxe, which states:

English:
It's the boss of all Doomers, the golden
Grand Doomer! As the skies over Nutty
Noon began to warp, this fearsome foe
swooped in to claim the spheres—and
their dimension-traveling powers!

Japanese (Raw and Translated):
異空まう 金色の巨鳥 グランドローパー。
スフィアのもつ ジゲンをこえる 強いパワーに
ひきよせられて あらわれた！ ナッツヌーンの
上空 ぜんたいが ゆがみ はじめ この、
ローパーの親玉まで よびよせてしまった！

Giant Golden Bird Flying in Another Sky: Grand Lowper. It appeared drawn towards the intense dimension-crossing power held by the Spheres! The entire sky above Nuts Noon began to distort, to the point where it even ended up summoning this boss of the Lowpers!
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I thought about it and don't believe that changes anything. The text talks about how Dimensional Travel was used some time in the past to allow Grand Doomer to come in and steal the part of the Lor, but after that he would have come back to Another Dimension, just like all the other Doomers did when they stole Energy Spheres. In Return to Dream Land and its remaster his EX form sets that "sky being distorted" as simply a large portal having been opened (Grand Doomer-sized, ig), he came from that portal. Kirby & co. don't cross any portal, the portal would have logically closed on its own after a time, and the area looks like Another Dimension, therefore it takes place in Another Dimension.
 
Eficiente said:
That's not the size of the cosmology, that's the size of the amount of universes affected by the crown's feat. That much remains the same, in fact 16 rather than 15 becomes more likely, as the area where Magolor is fought, "Another Dimension Bottom", is portrayed as its own thing next to all the other ellipsoids above it. If that needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
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I see. So AD (not just the part Magolor affected) is actually much larger than 16 universes, but we don't know by how much, correct?
 
Eficiente said:
I thought about it and don't believe that changes anything. The text talks about how Dimensional Travel was used some time in the past to allow Grand Doomer to come in and steal the part of the Lor, but after that he would have come back to Another Dimension, just like all the other Doomers did when they stole Energy Spheres. In Return to Dream Land and its remaster his EX form sets that "sky being distorted" as simply a large portal having been opened (Grand Doomer-sized, ig), he came from that portal. Kirby & co. don't cross any portal, the portal would have logically closed on its own after a time, and the area looks like Another Dimension, therefore it takes place in Another Dimension.
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This is iffy to me, because if the description for the Grand Doomer fight says that the sky has begun to warp, that'd indicate they're still on Nutty Noon, and this is further shown by the building they fight on. Such structures also exist in the parts of Another Dimension you enter into from Nutty Noon, but there's a clear difference.

The buildings on Nutty Noon have a blue tint to them, while those in Another Dimension have a pink tint. Looking at the Grand Doomer fight, the building's got a clearly blue tint, which indicates they're on Nutty Noon rather than Another Dimension. This point about what "should have happened" seems largely conjectural
 
CloverDragon03 said:
This is iffy to me, because if the description for the Grand Doomer fight says that the sky has begun to warp, that'd indicate they're still on Nutty Noon, and this is further shown by the building they fight on. Such structures also exist in the parts of Another Dimension you enter into from Nutty Noon, but there's a clear difference.

The buildings on Nutty Noon have a blue tint to them, while those in Another Dimension have a pink tint. Looking at the Grand Doomer fight, the building's got a clearly blue tint, which indicates they're on Nutty Noon rather than Another Dimension. This point about what "should have happened" seems largely conjectural
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Well, it can mean many things as it's vague.

Ok, so, one could see this more easily in the og game; beating the Doomers causes everything to get back its colors, in the remaster the loading time takes forever and Another Dimension already is pretty colorful so everyone misses it, but colors still returns, that "pink tint" changes into that "blue tint". Kirby & co. didn't use any time travel to go to the dimension where the Grand Doomer is, they just flew there, the Energy Spheres had that ancient tech, so when the mast (not the Energy Spheres) made a huge portal, it didn't have time travel. Kirby & co. fought Grand Doomer in the present, the dimension wasn't closing in, and so looked like normal, meaning looking like regular Nutty Noon with an Another Dimension background.

Beyond that, the background being that of Another Dimension and Another Dimension being the nesting place of the Doomers says far, far more than the colors of buildings, because they can have any color and it wouldn't matter.
 
This interview has a lot of useful information, like this bit: "there are some elements that are revealed after clearing the story that challenge the continuity of time as a narrative. In particular, there is the “Another Dimension Road” that transcends time and space, and since there is more than one passage of time, customers are free to imagine how that would change things"

Which is a massive kick of help to the time travel to after the Master Crown's feat that happens before the crown's feat in the story. I asked the translator for scans, as otherwise this can't be used. Let's hope something comes from that.
 
Eficiente said:
This interview has a lot of useful information, like this bit: "there are some elements that are revealed after clearing the story that challenge the continuity of time as a narrative. In particular, there is the “Another Dimension Road” that transcends time and space, and since there is more than one passage of time, customers are free to imagine how that would change things"

Which is a massive kick of help to the time travel to after the Master Crown's feat that happens before the crown's feat in the story.
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What's this about time travel?

Speaking of, I saw Kirby has Time Travel via the Warp Star, when did the Warp Star ever time-travel?
Eficiente said:
I asked the translator for scans, as otherwise this can't be used. Let's hope something comes from that.
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Would this affect anything?
 
Can you name me which of my blogs did you read? We can't grab everyone by the hand and explain them things in a personalized way, the info we show to everyone needs to be enough, and how well that works needs to be tested.
 
Eficiente said:
Can you name me which of my blogs did you read? We can't grab everyone by the hand and explain them things in a personalized way, the info we show to everyone needs to be enough, and how well that works needs to be tested.
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I've looked at many of your sandboxes, I just saw that you recently added Time Travel via Warp Star to Kirby's profile but it doesn't explain how on the Warp Stars profile.
 
You know i was kind of hoping that this would be revising the objectively bloated and constantly self-repeating Kirby page
 
Btw, I found a good scan that Magolor Soul has dura neg with his Super Abilities.

Here, you can see that even when Spark Kirby's electric bubble shield is at max size/charge (at which point normal attacks get deflected off it), Kirby is still hurt by Magolor's Super Ability.
 
Well, that shield it's not something you can't pass over, it's something you will get hurt when you pass over it.
 
Eseseso said:
Btw, I found a good scan that Magolor Soul has dura neg with his Super Abilities.

Here, you can see that even when Spark Kirby's electric bubble shield is at max size/charge (at which point normal attacks get deflected off it), Kirby is still hurt by Magolor's Super Ability.
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My dude, even Gordo's can go through that
 
Also, Kirby's AP section says in all of his keys that he has dura neg, but in his P&A section there's nothing really talking about his dura neg options.
 
About your question before, certain powers always negate durability by itself. Unless the series has context that to have it so otherwise, which needs to be explained in profiles. So it's standard to assume those powers negate dura.

Black Holes ignore dura via Radiation Manip and Gravity Manip that affects all parts of a target's body, not just their surface from the outside, which may or may not have immensely weaker stats next to the characters in general, depending on their feats.
 
Eficiente said:
About your question before, certain powers always negate durability by itself. Unless the series has context that to have it so otherwise, which needs to be explained in profiles. So it's standard to assume those powers negate dura.

Black Holes ignore dura via Radiation Manip and Gravity Manip that affects all parts of a target's body, not just their surface from the outside, which may or may not have immensely weaker stats next to the characters in general, depending on their feats.
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Ok, then, that makes sense.

Other than that, no issues with Magolor's profile.

Fantastic job!
 
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