Kirby General Discussion Thread (fun edition)

[Jasonsith]

So what tier is King Dedede in the competitive ranking now?

 

[PsychoSSF2]

So what tier is King Dedede in the competitive ranking now?

I’m sorry but tier lists are irrelevant.

 

[Arceus0x]

So just from my 100% playthrough of the game, I tried to jot down any versus viable stuff that could be added to Kirby's profile in the future, I might make a CRT for it down the road, but have you guys noticed so far? There'll be spoilers down below for those who haven't finished yet:

Kirby has gained:

Time Manipulation via Time Crash

ID-F86 / Fecto Forgo seems to have the following abilities:

-A planet-wide wave of psychic energy that can take control of (either mind control/possession)the inhabitants of the planet, including every enemy and boss you encounter
-Can also manually possess specific indiviuals
-Soul manipulation & BFR, as it was able to shatter Leongar's soul and scatter it across an entire dimension.
-Illusion creation, capable of creating replicas of various enemies & bosses across the series using psychic energy based on ID-F86's collected memories of the victim while under their control.
-Low Godly regen (?), via being able to survive the complete and utter destruction of its body by surviving purely through its own powerful mind, taking a phantom form instead.

Fecto Elfilis / Chaos Elfilis seems to have the following abilities/feats:

-One of the most solid High 5A feats in the series via throwing Planet Popstar through a spatial-teleportation vortex, causing it and the Forgotten Land to both approach their Roche Limit.
-Presumably everything the prior form has
-Heavily enhanced spatial-teleportation abilities

Meta Knight has gained:

-Limited possession/mind control resistance, as he was able to resist ID-F86's control attempts via sheer force of will.

Morpho Knight has gained:

-Soul destruction/absorption, via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, killing it completely

Anything else worth noting you guys think?

Do you have any extra info on the isolated isles forgo dreams?

 

[Jasonsith]

Do you have any extra info on the isolated isles forgo dreams?

Is it not part of the extended story that Morpho Knight only had soul absorption via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, since after the defeat of Morpho Knight Soul Forgo was revealed to survive the absorption of Morpho Knight and in return absorbed the powers of Morpho Knight and became Chaos Elfilis?

 

[Arceus0x]

Is it not part of the extended story that Morpho Knight only had soul absorption via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, since after the defeat of Morpho Knight Soul Forgo was revealed to survive the absorption of Morpho Knight and in return absorbed the powers of Morpho Knight and became Chaos Elfilis?

pretty much

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

Is it not part of the extended story that Morpho Knight only had soul absorption via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, since after the defeat of Morpho Knight Soul Forgo was revealed to survive the absorption of Morpho Knight and in return absorbed the powers of Morpho Knight and became Chaos Elfilis?

I imagine he would also have it based off of whatever the **** he did to Galacta Knight in Star Allies.

 

[Kirbonic_Pikmin]

Do you have any extra info on the isolated isles forgo dreams?

What kind of info are you looking for? I could pull up any of the figurines that have lore descriptions regarding it.

 

[Arceus0x]

What kind of info are you looking for? I could pull up any of the figurines that have lore descriptions regarding it.

Anything regarding the isles

 

[Ovrhide]

Is it not part of the extended story that Morpho Knight only had soul absorption via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, since after the defeat of Morpho Knight Soul Forgo was revealed to survive the absorption of Morpho Knight and in return absorbed the powers of Morpho Knight and became Chaos Elfilis?

What? No. Soul absorption is what allowed him to consume the boss in the first place. Plus he did it previously too.

 

[Jasonsith]

What? No. Soul absorption is what allowed him to consume the boss in the first place. Plus he did it previously too.

I am reacting towards this statement

Spoiler

Morpho Knight has gained:

-Soul destruction/absorption, via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, killing it completely

Anything else worth noting you guys think?

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I just realized something: the reason so many Kirby final bosses are nightmare fuel is probably because Kirby takes place in Dream Land, and most of these bosses look like the stuff you'd see in nightmares.

 

[Arceus0x]

I just realized something: the reason so many Kirby final bosses are nightmare fuel is probably because Kirby takes place in Dream Land, and most of these bosses look like the stuff you'd see in nightmares.

I mean as a concept for their design it works but like 90% of the bosses happen outside of dream land and popstar in general. Cause the only bosses that you fight in dream land are the first two dark matters, nightmare, gryll and dedede. You could also say Dynablade and Meta knight but idk if they count. There's also Sectonia but she is fought in the skies far above dreamland

 

[Arceus0x]

anyways i am glad that for the first time, everything within Kirby and the forgotten lands is canon. All colosseum cups are 100% canon now since they actually have a place within the story and they aren't separate game modes. This means that Morpho knight is now 100% canon as well as all the forms of Forgo

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Kind of ironic that Morpho Knight had his first canon appearence before Galacta-Knight

 

[Eficiente]

Galacta Knight's first and last appearences are canon.

Morpho Knight has gained:

-Soul destruction/absorption, via consuming ID-F86/Soul Forgo, killing it completely
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I have it like this in the CRT:

"NPI and Soul Manip: Landed on [[Fecto Forgo|Soul Forgo]] and used its main absorption power on them. Although the soul was basically enslaved within Morpho Knight's body rather than destroyed, allowing them to escape when said body was destroyed"

So he pretty much ate them, but didn't destroy them at all. Still, that bug apparently eats souls on a regular basis



Not to mention how Kirby has a useless, yet hyped AF sounding "power of miracle". Now I want to see some fight animation where he beats up someone and turns them into a baby when killed, which is not something he can do but f*ck it.

 

[Arceus0x]

Kirby finale in Planet Robobot:

Kirby finale in Star Allies:

Kirby finale in Forgotten lands:

 

[Lou_change]

 

[PsychoSSF2]

Kirby finale in Forgotten lands:

Correction:

 

[Arceus0x]

there's a return to dreamland novel coming out for kirby. It is gonna tell the tale that happens in the game, something that was skipped before and only suggested to exist. This means that we're probably getting new keys for magolor, abilities for kirby and maybe speed feats. I also hope for AD lore.

 

[Arceus0x]

here's the announcement

 

[Arceus0x]

Extra information I just found out: The novel is a stand alone novel that ISN'T related to the novel series we currently have. The novel is gonna have commentary by Shinya Kumazaki at the end of it.
This potentially means that the novel is gonna be the novelization of the game and it could be canon.

 

[Eficiente]

Idk where you got that from, but if it is true, it's more likely its own canon because the author wrote himself into a wall again by making Bandana Dee a low-tier for a long time before explicitly giving him a bandana for the first time after the events in that game and making him somewhat comparable to Kirby. The cover alone would contradict the continuity of his series w/o an explanation in the story, not bother to come up with a solution for this is easier to do and for kids to follow.

 

[PsychoSSF2]

Extra information I just found out: The novel is a stand alone novel that ISN'T related to the novel series we currently have. The novel is gonna have commentary by Shinya Kumazaki at the end of it.
This potentially means that the novel is gonna be the novelization of the game and it could be canon.

A canon Kirby novel?

 

[Eficiente]

To reply to the comment Arceus0x left in my wall; I still don't see what makes this not part of the Mie takase series when it has the same artwork. The commentary by Shinya Kumazaki is indicative of nothing as it is the 30th anniversary of Kirby, he would need to say the equivalent of "this is canon" to matter. And none of the facts we know about this mean it's likely to be canon, any comic and light novel that follow events of a videogame series or the like aren't simply canon because of it, this much needs to be explicitly proven. If anything, I would be willing to believe we can drag things from this 1 novel to his light novel series as it had to be its own thing because it has minor contradictions not worth dealing with and because the series states the events in Return to Dream Land having happened before off-screen.

 

[PsychoSSF2]

To reply to the comment Arceus0x left in my wall; I still don't see what makes this not part of the Mie takase series when it has the same artwork. The commentary by Shinya Kumazaki is indicative of nothing as it is the 30th anniversary of Kirby, he would need to say the equivalent of "this is canon" to matter. And none of the facts we know about this mean it's likely to be canon, any comic and light novel that follow events of a videogame series or the like aren't simply canon because of it, this much needs to be explicitly proven. If anything, I would be willing to believe we can drag things from this 1 novel to his light novel series as it had to be its own thing because it has minor contradictions not worth dealing with and because the series states the events in Return to Dream Land having happened before off-screen.

If this comment ends up being proven wrong, I will laugh.

 

[Arceus0x]

To reply to the comment Arceus0x left in my wall; I still don't see what makes this not part of the Mie takase series when it has the same artwork. The commentary by Shinya Kumazaki is indicative of nothing as it is the 30th anniversary of Kirby, he would need to say the equivalent of "this is canon" to matter. And none of the facts we know about this mean it's likely to be canon, any comic and light novel that follow events of a videogame series or the like aren't simply canon because of it, this much needs to be explicitly proven. If anything, I would be willing to believe we can drag things from this 1 novel to his light novel series as it had to be its own thing because it has minor contradictions not worth dealing with and because the series states the events in Return to Dream Land having happened before off-screen.

it explicitly stated that it ISN'T part of the series that goes before. In fact, this isn't the first time Mie has made a novel that isn't canon to the main series, such as the one about the dream gears.

I am not saying it is canon, i am saying that it has potential to be a novelization of the game, and in the case that this doesn't contradict anything going on in the game it would just prove my point even further.

 

[Arceus0x]

I will re-check a few things though considering i might be confused on it myself.

 

[Arceus0x]

afaik all of the mie takase's main series novels are TsubasaBunko novels which a specific type of light novel that is simple and easy to read. All of the series is written in that style except for this one, which is made as a normal novel, just like novelizations.
Wikirby has this to say:
"Takes inspiration from Kirby's Return to Dream Land.
This volume is planned to be published on the day of Kirby's 30th anniversary, and commentary by Shinya Kumazaki is planned to be at the end of the book. The volume was also advertised early in the previous volume.
This volume is not part of the Tsuabasa Bunko series and is instead published in a deluxe stand-alone format."

they take their info from japanese shops. Either way it is still not out and is still vague. We haven't even gotten translations for the pupupu train book so at best we'll see this book translated in like october or sth, unless of course someone decides to buy it and translated early which is false hope.

 

[Arceus0x]

welp apparently my hopes won't be false cause

someone's already preparing to do it. We could see a translation in late may or june

 

[Eficiente]

I knew you weren't saying it was canon, I was saying how it was more likely for that to not be the case based on the reasons you gave.

"Kirby, King Dedede, Bandanna Waddle Dee and Meta Knight too, were about to have a friendly picnic" this already makes it noncanon btw.

 

[Lou_change]

"Kirby, King Dedede, Bandanna Waddle Dee and Meta Knight too, were about to have a friendly picnic" this already makes it noncanon btw.

How so?

 

[Arceus0x]

"Kirby, King Dedede, Bandanna Waddle Dee and Meta Knight too, were about to have a friendly picnic" this already makes it noncanon btw.

they literally were chasing after a cake. For all we know the novel might have elaborated more on it and it begins with a picnic, then the trio chase after each other and then Lor crashes. This could easily be consistent. A novelization can have extra information, the one thing that a novelization isn't supposed to do is give any info contradictory to the game.

 

[Eficiente]

"Sure", but it's far from likely even w/o everything said before.

 

[PsychoSSF2]

afaik all of the mie takase's main series novels are TsubasaBunko novels which a specific type of light novel that is simple and easy to read. All of the series is written in that style except for this one, which is made as a normal novel, just like novelizations.
Wikirby has this to say:
"Takes inspiration from Kirby's Return to Dream Land.
This volume is planned to be published on the day of Kirby's 30th anniversary, and commentary by Shinya Kumazaki is planned to be at the end of the book. The volume was also advertised early in the previous volume.
This volume is not part of the Tsuabasa Bunko series and is instead published in a deluxe stand-alone format."

they take their info from japanese shops. Either way it is still not out and is still vague. We haven't even gotten translations for the pupupu train book so at best we'll see this book translated in like october or sth, unless of course someone decides to buy it and translated early which is false hope.

Well, it definitely seems like this...

To reply to the comment Arceus0x left in my wall; I still don't see what makes this not part of the Mie takase series when it has the same artwork. The commentary by Shinya Kumazaki is indicative of nothing as it is the 30th anniversary of Kirby, he would need to say the equivalent of "this is canon" to matter. And none of the facts we know about this mean it's likely to be canon, any comic and light novel that follow events of a videogame series or the like aren't simply canon because of it, this much needs to be explicitly proven. If anything, I would be willing to believe we can drag things from this 1 novel to his light novel series as it had to be its own thing because it has minor contradictions not worth dealing with and because the series states the events in Return to Dream Land having happened before off-screen.

...aged poorly real fast.

 

[Eficiente]

Can you not be pretentious? There is nothing wrong with not seeing something be part of a series when someone claims it w/o evidence, this being a "deluxe stand-alone format" better fits into it being its own thing rather than canon, and what I said about the commentary by Shinya Kumazaki & the last thing I said didn't age poorly in any way.

 

[Lou_change]

What do you think of the high five

 

[PsychoSSF2]

What do you think of the high five

Not bad.

 

[PsychoSSF2]

Can you not be pretentious? There is nothing wrong with not seeing something be part of a series when someone claims it w/o evidence, this being a "deluxe stand-alone format" better fits into it being its own thing rather than canon, and what I said about the commentary by Shinya Kumazaki & the last thing I said didn't age poorly in any way.

 

[Lou_change]

Not bad.

You don’t miss them passionately making out.

 

[Kflare63]

I do