King of Hell vs The Blue Lightning of Vollachia (Roronoa Zoro vs Cecilus Segmund)

[Zabazab]

Or if it's actually a rainstorm... Seems kinda hyperbole

It's grains of sand that are compared to dodging a rainstorm. Adult Cecilus also has:

Considering that, the area around them looked desolated as far as the eye could see much like it had been carpet bombed by magic stone artillery, it was hard to believe they had rampaged in the hypocenter.

Cecilus: [I can even dodge the rain if I really try, y’know.]

Arakiya: [...No matter how you look at it, that’s a lie.]

Cecilus: [So what! It’s up to yourself whether it’s a lie or not, I say. You can’t do what you think you can’t do. As long as you think you can’t, you’ll never be able to slice through clouds.]

Carping at the weak objection, Cecilus unsheathed the katana on his waist as he sat.

In a flash of lightning that left even the sound behind, the force from the drawn blade rose into the sky, and the thick clouds above the pair of them were cleaved in twain right down the middle.

Arakiya: [──Slicing clouds.]

Cecilus: [Well, it's a bit of a startling feat, isn't it? But if I had said that I couldn't reach the clouds or whatever, I wouldn't have been able to do it ever!]

And he's catching up with Reinhard, who did this:

The worst was when she she told him to deliver a letter without letting the rain fall on it. "Not only did I not let the letter get rained on, I've returned after having avoided all the raindrops myself." –Felt's 2018 Birthday Q&A

And also it says he got shallow wounds from it

He was also wounded prior.

 

[Hiiilt]

Shouldn't we wait for cecilus profile to be updated before continuing this debate or it wouldn't change anything?

 

[VortechsTG]

Shouldn't we wait for cecilus profile to be updated before continuing this debate or it wouldn't change anything?

It would change a lot. Though even then we still probably won't know what the dream sword really does for a few more months.

 

[Zabazab]

Shouldn't we wait for cecilus profile to be updated before continuing this debate or it wouldn't change anything?

Yeah lol

'Tis what happens when your verse gets a huge dump of content in a single month

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

re zero supporters wank is actually insane...

 

[Zabazab]

How fake Skill Merchants act when REAL SkillSlop fans come at them:

re zero supporters wank is actually insane...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

How fake Skill Merchants act when REAL SkillSlop fans come at them:

Skill? Nah, You mean text liars, actually text manipulators is more fitting

 

[CurrySenpai]

Skill? Nah, You mean text liars, actually text manipulators is more fitting

Cook............

 

[Nierre]

what are cecilus' wincons?

 

[Zabazab]

what are cecilus' wincons?

Best wincon is having a CRT within the week.

 

[Hiiilt]

what are cecilus' wincons?

We have to wait for Cecilus profile to be updated since it's outdated

 

[Nierre]

oh okay then

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Cook............

it's something, a little too spicy of a curry

 

[Arkenis]

Rainstorms produce a ton of raindrops to the point just a cubic meter can have thousands of droplets within it. So the absurdity of dodging something like this is ridiculous even with superior speed, thats usually why writers make this an impressive feat because of how it works. The feat would be unimpressive if say the character could cover great distances fast, but ones combat and reaction speed being higher doesn't equal dodging thousands of raindrops being easier. Its also why danmaku is a thing, even with superior speed one still needs to maneuver themselves through the tiniest gaps to dodge.

 

[BoastJr]

Feats like dodging raindrops within a storm is anatomically impossible. No amount of human skill or body control can let you weave through every hundreds of drop a few centimetres or less away without some kind of ability/hax. Its reaches supernatural levels of skill and can vary well mean AoE is a dud if it isn't some super closely pact blast.

 

[CurrySenpai]

Guys, I have created a comprehensive video that will shortly explain the RE:ZERO WANK that the Fraudulent Verse Supporters have been lying about and reinforcing. Please look /srs

 

[Arkenis]

Wow

 

[CurrySenpai]

Wow

This is what happens when you are autistic, have ADHD, and too much freetime.

 

[Arkenis]

This is what happens when you are autistic, have ADHD, and too much freetime.

I can't tell if you're talking about yourself, me or Satella lmao

 

[CurrySenpai]

I can't tell if you're talking about yourself, me or Satella lmao

Me, lol.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Guys, I have created a comprehensive video that will shortly explain the RE:ZERO WANK that the Fraudulent Verse Supporters have been lying about and reinforcing. Please look /srs

I curious, can i do a CRT and just put a video of me saying what i want to change, and can that be accepted?

 

[CurrySenpai]

I curious, can i do a CRT and just put a video of me saying what i want to change, and can that be accepted?

You can use it as supporting evidence but I believe you do have to provide scans and put things in writing for people to view more easily.

 

[VortechsTG]

Snip

I think he's got it by now Satella

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think he's got it by now Satella

I am a little too late

 

[Kachon123]

What are Cecilus' wincons

 

[Nierre]

the match is on pause until his profile gets updated

 

[Kachon123]

Why does this keep happening in Re:Zero matches

 

[VortechsTG]

Why does this keep happening in Re:Zero matches

Because the series gets large amounts of content in very short amounts of time. Also because Satella keeps making matchups with characters who need to be updated, though this time it isn't their fault.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why does this keep happening in Re:Zero matches

Aggregiously outdated profiles and massive content drop in the span of a single month

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Because the series gets large amounts of content in very short amounts of time. Also because Satella keeps making matchups with characters who need to be updated, though this time it isn't their fault.

I have been trying to finish the threads I made before making new ones more often now...

 

[VortechsTG]

Because the series gets large amounts of content in very short amounts of time. Also because Satella keeps making matchups with characters who need to be updated, though this time it isn't their fault.

I don't mean to blame Pepsiman either cause they aren't that active on the ReZero general thread

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Eww, skill fight.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Page has been updated
While some things are still missing, this fight can be continued

 

[Kachon123]

What are Cecilus' wincons

 

[Fezzih_007]

Spartial Manipulation,and Conceptual Manipulation type 3.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He can one shot Zoro from the distance, his ranged attack has virtually no travel time and follows along the length of his sword. It would also be a one shot due to cm type 3 and spatial manipulation
Zoro is also unlikely to hit him since he now scales directly to Reinhard
If you wanna try arguing for AoE being undodgable, think again. Ram scales an eternity of training below Theresia and she could dodge invisible explosions in a corridor
He can also dodge Raindrops in a storm or dust particles in a sandstorm

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

He can one shot Zoro from the distance, his ranged attack has virtually no travel time and follows along the length of his sword. It would also be a one shot due to cm type 3 and spatial manipulation

Precog and observation haki still deals with that by dodging and or countering via spammed slashes, can use conquerors Haki to give openings as well

Zoro also resists spatial manipulation

Zoro is also unlikely to hit him since he now scales directly to Reinhard
If you wanna try arguing for AoE being undodgable, think again. Ram scales an eternity of training below Theresia and she could dodge invisible explosions in a corridor
He can also dodge Raindrops in a storm or dust particles in a sandstorm

F no, speed is still equal, zoro can get up close via propelling himself and blitz anytime or can use aoe storm slashes which he's not dodging because of speed being equalized

Zoro also becomes much stronger in the moment of battle... Making it even more in his favor the more time goes on

The only thing zoro has to worry about is cecilus slashes from one of his swords, while cecilus has to worry about zoro blitzing, spamming multiple attacks that one shots and huge aoe attacks that he cannot dodge because of speed being equalized

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Precog and observation haki still deals with that by dodging and or countering via spammed slashes,

which are easily dodgable

can use conquerors Haki to give openings as well

He resists conquers

Zoro also resists spatial manipulation

Not on a conceptual scale

F no, speed is still equal, zoro can get up close via propelling himself and blitz anytime

which he can easily defend via IR

or can use aoe storm slashes which he's not dodging because of speed being equalized

He dodged HOMING danmaku attack faster than him via perception boost so no, Zoro aint hitting him

technically if we go by the profile, he dodged a SoL attack while being MH+

Zoro also becomes much stronger in the moment of battle... Making it even more in his favor the more time goes on

Cecilus does as well

Oh and he starts off with an AP advantage as well

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

He resists conquers

Resist /=/ immunity, will still give openings

Not on a conceptual scale

I'm talking about the spatial manipulation aspect only

which he can easily defend via IR

Uhh no... His body is getting blitz, his body moving on it's own is doing nothing

He dodged HOMING danmaku attack faster than him via perception boost so no, Zoro aint hitting him

Not that impressive... Kaido basically did the same thing and Zoro hit him with it

Cecilus does as well

Zoro's one is still better

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

F no, speed is still equal, zoro can get up close via propelling himself and blitz anytime or can use aoe storm slashes which he's not dodging because of speed being equalized

Zoro also becomes much stronger in the moment of battle... Making it even more in his favor the more time goes on

The only thing zoro has to worry about is cecilus slashes from one of his swords, while cecilus has to worry about zoro blitzing, spamming multiple attacks that one shots and huge aoe attacks tha he cannot dodge because of speed being equalized

My vote is still with zoro because of the above reasons