Killer Queen and Soul Destruction

[PaChi2]

Im calling dibs on this topic.

Im pretty sure that after Killer Queen kills Rohan Kishibe with Bites the Dust we can see Rohan's soul being destroyed.

I will post scans/scene later, now I gotta go to sleep.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Ghosts seem to keep the damage that killed them when they were alive in the afterlife. See the dog with a cut through or ghost lady with a back wound. The souls getting destroyed is just an after effect of that, unless we give every human soul manip in Jojo for that.

 

[PaChi2]

That's not true entirely.

When Kira died his body was totally fine until he remembered how he died and got the damage.

Also, soul manipulation for everyone in Jojo doesnt seem like an stretch to me when Stands are stated to be the manifestation of the user's soul.

 

[PaChi2]

However Rohan and the fatty boy exploded directly.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Unless Rohan just forgot how he died instantly after that, it's not really relevant.

Stands which are only available to a few select humans, and assuming that people can soul manip based on ghosts inheriting the damage from their real life would apply to ANY humans.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Ghosts seem to keep the damage that killed them when they were alive in the afterlife. See the dog with a cut through or ghost lady with a back wound. The souls getting destroyed is just an after effect of that, unless we give every human soul manip in Jojo for that.

What about abdul or even iggy joseph gyro or any soul that ascended exuding the two mentioned by op that explicitly isnt a revenant?.

Also. He outright destroyed his father meaning he can already destroy souls using powers from kq.

 

[PaChi2]

Unless Rohan just forgot how he died instantly after that, it's not really relevant.

Stands which are only available to a few select humans, and assuming that people can soul manip based on ghosts inheriting the damage from their real life would apply to ANY humans.

What.

Anything can have a Stand. A rat. Plankton. A gorilla.

 

[PaChi2]

And we know for sure that animals in Jojo have souls.

"He outright destroyed his father meaning he can already destroy souls using powers from kq."

Also this, he did kill a ghost with KQ.

 

[Walking_Strawman]

joseph, avdol, iggy, didn't have damage to them. iirc the part 5 gang also had a soul scene as well, so this isn't a retcon either. perhaps it is just unique to Kira for an unexplained reason

also, Deadman's Question Kira should have soul manipulation for obvious reasons

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8BWUmtipJnE. 1:40.

 

[ArmBill]

Agreed, kira should get soul destruction.

 

[PaChi2]

He made a ghost (his father) go kaboom. Its pretty straightforward.

 

[Xantospoc]

His father lived only through the camera and then the picture. He was otherwise dead.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Exactly.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

I'm neutral bit sliding on agree.

 

[Xantospoc]

I am against on the very principle that kIller queen manipulates matter and is never stated it works on souls

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I am against on the very principle that kIller queen manipulates matter and is never stated it works on souls

>Destroys three souls on panel. >Engages combat with stands (meaning he can fight ghosts and souls also).

Ya best be jojoking my man.

 

[Xantospoc]

The destroyed Souls were only for effect.

Damage of Stands is meant to get on humans, which is why they get harmed.

Jojo is a good series, but not for its logic

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Man ya best figure out an actual rebuttal because "flashy effect" a poor counter.

Also upon ascending the wounds that were on the revenant ?. Fade away. (Arnold and reimi heal upon ascending).

Also stands are literally the soul. Punch a stand ya punch a soul also he did vaporized a ghost anyway.

Also Rohan used hd on reimi meaning stands obvioysly can interact upon souls despite what kq does upon activation.

 

[Xantospoc]

He didn't vaporize a Ghost. He vaporized a picture that contained a Ghost. Big difference

 

[Xantospoc]

Also, Ronan's stand is a thing. Killer Queeen is another. Theyhave completely different powers and properties

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah along with the ghost.
Ah but rohan had the power of drawing not harming ghosts plus according your logic as that meant he cant harm types if souls or ghosts. Also stands quite literally ARE outright explicitly ghosts and souls . And rohan could harm reimi because he was a stand user.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Stands are manifestation of one's soul until Part 7 because Araki apparently forget the rules. The soul Destruction and Manipulation isn't far-fetched.

Edit: Ninja'd

 

[Xantospoc]

He is destroyed because his life depends on the picture. DId ANYONE watch the series?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I gotta agree with Xan on this

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Except you can outright see him being split in two.

Plus this does absolutely nothing on rohan harming a ghost. Or stands outright being souls.

Kq destroying multiple souls that were ascending (and not once at all within jojo do souls acending keep damage meaning try a different counter and reimi and Arnold also healed all damage upon acending so dont try that as the manga and anime show arnold having his wound fade away when ascending).

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Have you watched? Yeah but try reading the manga sometime as that is what matters the most here.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Couldn't the ghost in the alley see the souls of the victims Kira killed pass on? Wouldn't this indicate Kira does NOT destroy souls?

 

[Promestein]

Couldn't the ghost in the alley see the souls of the victims Kira killed pass on? Wouldn't this indicate Kira does NOT destroy souls?

Yeah but they're like crumbling and falling apart and in eternal pain and don't reach Heaven or something.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Prom

I don't remember that part. Could you provide some scans?

 

[Promestein]

Here.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Here and here.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Ok, in that case soul destruction is fine.

 

[PaChi2]

Bump

Iirc Killer Queen can make Stands explode too so the "it only works on matter" its not accurate.

 

[Xantospoc]

That's because stands are connected with humans. Hurt the stand - hurt the human. Is how it works

 

[Xantospoc]

Also the fact Kora's victims are in pain seems more to do with the fact Kira was at large. As a lot of souls ascended when he was brought to Justice And again we saw his victim's souls Carrying wounds BEFORE he got a Stand

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Ya do realize that stands factually explicitly stated to be SOULS yeah?

And ya do realize reimi and arnold are revenants? And upon going to heaven healed the wounds that had been inflicted mean while shigechi and rohan plus the prey of kq exploded? And abdul bruno gyro joseph ff etc.all had no wounds after ascending?

 

[PaChi2]

That's because stands are connected with humans. Hurt the stand - hurt the human. Is how it works

What does that have to do with the fact that if you touch someone KQ has made a bomb with your stand, the stand explodes? And the body is damaged for obvious reasons.

 

[Xantospoc]

That's because those people did not ascend duh The fact your stand is a literal projection of your body.

 

[PaChi2]

That's because those people did not ascend duh The fact your stand is a literal projection of your body.

Stands are not always like that. Stands represent the soul/psyche/life force of the user, but are not always bind by the body. The guy with the power-tower stand in part 4 or Notorious B.I.G are perfect examples of this.