Bobsican
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Assuming that the starting premises are correct (i.e.: that the Ocean Between has been accepted as a 5-D structure, and that it possesses it's own space-time continuum), I believe this does indeed fit what the tiering system FAQ describes and should therefore be 6-D. However, I would like someone knowledgeable on tier 1 standards to verify that we are not misinterpreting the tiering system FAQ's statements.
I may as well point out this kind of semantics has precedent of being tier 1, higher than just 5-D, even, such as this.
What I'm admittedly struggling to understand is the case for the Ocean Between having a timeline in the first place. I imagine it's primarily due to a lack of knowledge on the verse itself, but I don't quite get what the premises in the linked blog are trying to say. For one example:
"The mere fact Mickey and company time traveled from the "present" to quite far in the past requires a time axis to begin with, and per the above we do know that the times of the "worlds" they'd be on would have been established way after the timeline of the "world" of the age of fairytales ceased to be, this combined with how they'd have to have been in the Ocean Between at the time (Mickey, Chip and Dale appear with a Star Shard, a device to travel across the "worlds", and Donald and Goofy appear with a Gummi Ship, another device to travel across the "worlds" too), leads to the considerable implication that the Ocean Between has its own time axis, especially considering that they also went back into the Ocean Between to seemingly go back into the future."
This seems like one of the crux paragraphs, but despite re-reading it multiple times, I don't know what exactly it proves. In regards to the fact that "Mickey and company time travelled from the present to quite far off in the past", couldn't they have done so while in one of the worlds with an established time axis rather than the Ocean Between? You do address that they appear with a Star Shard, a device to "travel across the worlds", but I don't see how this shows they time travelled while in the Ocean Between rather than in one of the worlds. We know that they went into the Ocean Between at some point, and we also know that they time travelled at some point, but it's not clear whether they did both at the same point - these could have been independent events, for what I can tell. What shows that they had to have been in the Ocean Between rather than another world when they time travelled?
Well, it does seem they're implied to have been traveling across the worlds before ending up in the age of fairytales, as not only they don't use the Gummi Ship o Star Shards to travel inside a world out of keeping world order, Mickey notes that he was using the Star Shard to get to another world and was in a hurry. So it'd be reasonable to claim they were in the Ocean Between while time traveling, rather than already in a world considering that's out of character and thus overall move assumptive as said before.
This also seems worth quoting to make some of the above clearer:
https://www.khinsider.com/news/Famitsu-Weekly-Interview-December-2009-1228
--- In released images the King holds the "star fragment" that also shimmered.
Nomura: The King uses this item to travel outside the worlds. At this point it is called a ‘star fragment', but later it will be established as the Gummi parts called Gummi Blocks.
For another thing:
"As further proof, there's also how the Realm of Darkness is stated to parallel the Realm of Light (with the Realm of Light being the main portion of the Ocean Between given the same overall definition), yet the Realm of Darkness is stated to specifically lack time, implying that this is different from the Realm of Light (and thus the Ocean Between by definition), with the Realm of Light being the main area for most main characters, including Aqua (the one stating it)."
The Realm of Darkness is stated to be the parallel for the Realm of Light, and the Realm of Darkness is stated to have no time. This much appears to be true, but I'm not sure I understand the implication here - the two realms being "parallels" of one another can mean many things, many possibilities of which don't inherently mean their approach to time in particular is mirrored. If they are "parallel" (just for one example, not necessarily the correct example) in the sense that the physical world in the Realm of Light is mirrored in the Realm of Darkness, this doesn't really have any implications on how the two realms treat time. The fact that the Realm of Darkness doesn't possess time doesn't inherently mean the Realm of Light does (or, more specifically, that all of it possesses time).
- DIrector's Secret Report XIIIAs for the structure of the worlds, first, the so-to-speak normal worlds—the ones that Sora, the Disney characters and we live on—are situated in the Realm of Light. If you picture those worlds as existing on the same level on top of a giant plane, then on a separate level, in other words on the reverse side, exists the Realm of Darkness.
And keeping in mind that the Realm of Light alongside the Realm Between are basically the Ocean Between, it's clear that being "parallel" in this context is talking about them being similar structures, in fact that was accepted in the previous thread while making the infinite speed stuff valid, as it's basically a qualitative infinite 5-D structure like it, even fitting entire universes within it not unlike the Ocean Between.
And another thing:
"Finally, the Master of Masters does a monologue about how they will end the world and discard time (explicitly including beyond the "world" of the age of fairytales, thus the Ocean Between), all to defeat the darkness."
The quote in question linked states "That's why we need to leave this world - to bring it to an end, to abandon the notion of time and what separates our worlds. All so we can defeat the darkness.". Even if "what separates our worlds" is the Ocean Between, this doesn't conflate the two concepts together - in fact, it refers to abandoning the "notion of time" and "what separates our worlds" independently. This doesn't suggest time is a part of "what separates our worlds".
Well, as you've quoted, note how he mentions before hand "we need to leave this world", and in that context would refer to the one of the age of fairytales, which makes sense considering that this world is then erased as a whole a bit later. See the first paragraph of the blog in the OP for more information on that.
I know this post has already gone on obnoxiously long, but my point is that every interpretation I've seen in the blog seems to leave some room for doubt - I've not seen anything give a very strong case for the Ocean Between possessing it's own time axis, just a few things that might suggest it. I'd like elaboration on the points I've brought up, because most of what I've seen seems speculative and open to doubt.
Yeah, this series likes to be vague at times on stuff so users may try to connect the dots by themselves, which in turn is why I'm presenting multiple implications in relation to the premise, overall making a decent case of this idea in relation to the cosmology of the series.
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