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Kenganverse Revision Thread
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I think we're pretty much done
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If everyone else is cool with it
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Also, found this neat feat for weakened Kiryu: uses Rakasha's Palm to do this to a wall.
Looks pretty big, may be worth something.
Looks pretty big, may be worth something.
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From eyeballing it, it looks like it goes on for a few feet, and the little chunks at the bottom looks like violent frag.
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We have some new tidbit adjustments on Fear Manipulation.
Ohma either keeps his fear manipulation or it becomes Social Influencing.
Mainly from the feats of making Kazuto so scared he went to bang someone, or thugs being so scared they pissed their pants
Ohma either keeps his fear manipulation or it becomes Social Influencing.
Mainly from the feats of making Kazuto so scared he went to bang someone, or thugs being so scared they pissed their pants
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I'm a bit skeptical on that bit being actual fear manipulation. Kazou is a bit of a coward.
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I'm also a bit skeptical. A lot of fighters have it for some dubious reasoning (Kanoh Agito, Gaolang Wongsawat, etc)
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Hmm, makes sense on Ohma. Kazuhito had the support of narration though.
How does Kanoh and Gaolang get it?
But hey if Baki gets it, Kengan should : P
How does Kanoh and Gaolang get it?
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Agito's fear manip comes from the fact that most fighters get traumatized from the ass whooping he delivered unto them
Gaolang comes from the fact that Agito was pissing himself over the fact that he could not out strike Gaolang despite evolving twice.
Neither are enough to warrant fear manip, as those are just reactions to facing powerful opponents, nothing supernatural is going on.
Gaolang comes from the fact that Agito was pissing himself over the fact that he could not out strike Gaolang despite evolving twice.
Neither are enough to warrant fear manip, as those are just reactions to facing powerful opponents, nothing supernatural is going on.
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Doesn't seem combat applicable, but it makes more sense as Social Influencing.
Hm... Helps a bit but then again could be Fear Res and more self doubt. Leaning latter. Then again Agito shouldn't be fearful due to the specs. IDk.
Those don't sound like much to me really. First one makes more sense but isn't combat applicable. Neither of them are actually.
Was writing down all the quotes from Generals Challenge Mode for Command and Conquer in another site, sorry bout that!
Hm... Helps a bit but then again could be Fear Res and more self doubt. Leaning latter. Then again Agito shouldn't be fearful due to the specs. IDk.
Those don't sound like much to me really. First one makes more sense but isn't combat applicable. Neither of them are actually.
Was writing down all the quotes from Generals Challenge Mode for Command and Conquer in another site, sorry bout that!
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Honestly I think Kanoh's feat is the only one that should get social influence due to his aura and aforementioned feats
Gaolangs thing is just Kanoh getting scared about his power.
Gaolangs thing is just Kanoh getting scared about his power.
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Ohma should still have fear aura coming from the thugs pissing themselves by just being in their backs. Fair for others though. Also Akoya's fear should be valid, he intimidated Ryuki just by aura.
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We just revised our Fear Manipulation page a bit.
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Neither of them have authority, strength or demeanor known, at least not to an extent that they'll be scared.
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Going by the Fear Manipulation page, it would be Social Influencing.
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Yamashita doesn't know enough about Raian to just get a chill like that when he sees him, even after his fight against Mokichi. He barely even know the guy.
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Yup, Raian definitely has fear manip
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Due to the nature of his feats, I think it's more Social Influencing really due to his name and how he presents itself. You can be afraid of unassuming people.
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Also, Kazuo knows who Raian is and what he's capable of. He's been afraid of him ever since he saw him snap Mokicichi's neck.
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Ohma's believable
Kazu's not really. It's all misunderstandings for him
Kazu's not really. It's all misunderstandings for him
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Kazuo isn't afraid Ohma because he's spent enough time around him to become comfortable.
Kazuo "fear manipulation" is simple brought on by his change in demeanor/attitude, which falls into the "no" list of fear manipulation.
I can buy Ohma having fear aura, and maybe Raian (bloodlust aura feat), but Kazuo's is definitely social influencing
Kazuo "fear manipulation" is simple brought on by his change in demeanor/attitude, which falls into the "no" list of fear manipulation.
I can buy Ohma having fear aura, and maybe Raian (bloodlust aura feat), but Kazuo's is definitely social influencing
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Bad news guys, I think I messed up with my earlier scaling chain.
We currently scale a bunch of top tiers to 8-C+ due to Raian being 3.33x stronger with Removal.
The issue with this is, really only Removal Raian and Possessing Spirit should scale to 8-C+ due to statements that Removal Raian surpasses everyone in brute strength.
This is stated by and confirmed by Wakatsuki, who confirms Agito's claim that Removal Raian and Julius surpass Wakatsuki in terms of power. While Julius and Wakatsuki are confirmed to be even in strength, Julius' large frame gives him an edge. There's no other indication of how Wakatsuki scales to Removal Raian, just that he is surpassed by him in strength.
So basically, we can't scale anyone to Removal Raian since he's confirmed by two sources to surpass everyone else. This likely includes Unrestricted Base Ohma since it's confirmed in Omega that Raian was stronger (the the "at that point" raises some eyebrows).
So, the new scaling train would be like this:
8-C+: Possessing Spirit Ohma, Removal Raian
At least 8-C (via surpassing Saw Pain): Base Raian, Base Unrestricted Ohma, Wakatsuki, Agito, Kuroki, Kiryu, Gaolang, Muteba, etc (basically anyone who currently has 8-C+)
8-C: Saw Paing, etc.
I was gonna mention Takeru's Raging Vigor, but idk how reliable that is given that it's stated by 2 very well informed sources that Removal Raian can't be touched by anyone in terms of raw power.
Although, keep in mind that a major theme in Kengan is that skill can triumph over strength if used well (Ohma vs Raian, Ohma vs Wakatsuki), so it's not unrealistic for guys like Kuroki, Agito and Ohma to be physically weaker then someone and still beat them, hence why these guys are considered the cream of the crop over Raian (without Kure techniques that is).
Thoughts?
We currently scale a bunch of top tiers to 8-C+ due to Raian being 3.33x stronger with Removal.
The issue with this is, really only Removal Raian and Possessing Spirit should scale to 8-C+ due to statements that Removal Raian surpasses everyone in brute strength.
This is stated by and confirmed by Wakatsuki, who confirms Agito's claim that Removal Raian and Julius surpass Wakatsuki in terms of power. While Julius and Wakatsuki are confirmed to be even in strength, Julius' large frame gives him an edge. There's no other indication of how Wakatsuki scales to Removal Raian, just that he is surpassed by him in strength.
So basically, we can't scale anyone to Removal Raian since he's confirmed by two sources to surpass everyone else. This likely includes Unrestricted Base Ohma since it's confirmed in Omega that Raian was stronger (the the "at that point" raises some eyebrows).
So, the new scaling train would be like this:
8-C+: Possessing Spirit Ohma, Removal Raian
At least 8-C (via surpassing Saw Pain): Base Raian, Base Unrestricted Ohma, Wakatsuki, Agito, Kuroki, Kiryu, Gaolang, Muteba, etc (basically anyone who currently has 8-C+)
8-C: Saw Paing, etc.
I was gonna mention Takeru's Raging Vigor, but idk how reliable that is given that it's stated by 2 very well informed sources that Removal Raian can't be touched by anyone in terms of raw power.
Although, keep in mind that a major theme in Kengan is that skill can triumph over strength if used well (Ohma vs Raian, Ohma vs Wakatsuki), so it's not unrealistic for guys like Kuroki, Agito and Ohma to be physically weaker then someone and still beat them, hence why these guys are considered the cream of the crop over Raian (without Kure techniques that is).
Thoughts?
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They should still scale to Kiozan's Raging Vigour. Julius and Wakatsuki especially, they have the top physical attributes in the tournament. Not to mention that scales to Seki's maximum dura so it may scale to Muteba as well.
Also for PS, Ranjo should have the same multiplier as Ohma so he should scale to it as well. We know he's 9-A for toying with Haruo.
Also for PS, Ranjo should have the same multiplier as Ohma so he should scale to it as well. We know he's 9-A for toying with Haruo.
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The problem wit using Raging Vigor is that, assuming he's 8-C . normally, the 4x multiplier would put him and a whole lot of people on Removal Raian's level of strength. Which doesn't make sense narratively given that both Wakatsuki and Agito admit that Removal Raian can't be matched by any tournament member in terms of raw power. And unlike Julius, there's no statements or proof that Raian's equal in power to Wakatuski but holds a certain edge, just that he outclasses him.
To be fair, Ranjo had a weapon that he used to run Haruo through, so its unknown how he scales in hand to hand physically (ie Hanafusa and Rihito).
To be fair, Ranjo had a weapon that he used to run Haruo through, so its unknown how he scales in hand to hand physically (ie Hanafusa and Rihito).
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Plus, even if we assume Advance Ranjo has the same stats as Restricted Advance Ohma, it would still only put Base Unrestrcited Ohma at "at least 8-C," which is consistent given that Unrestricted Ohma only barely defeated Base Raian (at least 8-C) because he wasn't using Kure techniques and was too tired to use Removal.
This is still consistent scaling given that Base Unrestricted Ohma was still able to overpower Cosmo but was still outmuscled by Wakatsuki
This is still consistent scaling given that Base Unrestricted Ohma was still able to overpower Cosmo but was still outmuscled by Wakatsuki
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BUMP
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Then Removal Raian is actually way higher than 4X multiplier since it is scaled way higher than RV. Just make scaling and that's alright.
Ranjo still should be way higher than normal Guardians though. And they are able to damage Inaba and can give Hanafusa hard time. Not to mention lower ranked Guardians damaged Removal Raian.
Unrestricted Ohma in Raian fight isn't that unrestricted, he was close but isn't, he remembered Demonsbane after the coma. Not to mention he was pretty damaged and barely conscious at that point.
Ranjo still should be way higher than normal Guardians though. And they are able to damage Inaba and can give Hanafusa hard time. Not to mention lower ranked Guardians damaged Removal Raian.
Unrestricted Ohma in Raian fight isn't that unrestricted, he was close but isn't, he remembered Demonsbane after the coma. Not to mention he was pretty damaged and barely conscious at that point.
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That kinda ignores established power multipliers but if you're down with it...
Fair enough. Although the Guardians that fought Raian were also weapon users (iirc they did terribly against Raian's physical blows) and were also higher rankings than most.
Demonsbane doesn't really affect his AP all that much since it relies on outside forces. As mentioned by Ghost Niko, Ohma's restraints came off when he went berserk and used Possessing Spirit. Plus, its noted that the shift in Ohma's spine caused by Chi Blocking, the thing that was holding back his full power, had come off steadily by that point. His memories were coming in a little bit after, hence his remeberance of Demonsbane and the events leading to Niko's death.
Fair enough. Although the Guardians that fought Raian were also weapon users (iirc they did terribly against Raian's physical blows) and were also higher rankings than most.
Demonsbane doesn't really affect his AP all that much since it relies on outside forces. As mentioned by Ghost Niko, Ohma's restraints came off when he went berserk and used Possessing Spirit. Plus, its noted that the shift in Ohma's spine caused by Chi Blocking, the thing that was holding back his full power, had come off steadily by that point. His memories were coming in a little bit after, hence his remeberance of Demonsbane and the events leading to Niko's death.
