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Kaguya fights a kid with a blue head

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TheGreatBanana said:
... Tell me how is bfr going to help? You do realize he out rangers her? You do realize he can erase her and the entire verse from anywhere he wants? What kinda dumb ass wincon is this?
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That range doesn't change anything. He can't use EE if he can't move, and she can BFR him on the Ice dimension before he can close his hand
 
Lloydblitzed said:
That range doesn't change anything. He can't use EE if he can't move, and she can BFR him on the Ice dimension before he can close his hand
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He can move. Her bfr isn't as fast as his EE which targets her past, present and future. It will be as if she never existed at all, so it doesn't matter how fast she is. And even, even if everything you said worked, he can...uh just kinda blink her away.
 
TiltedFN said:
Also stop using bfr as a wincon, zeno can literally erase the entire cosmology from anywhere, he doesn't even need to be in the same general multiverse as you to erase you instantly, he can individually target your very being from any place at any time. Someone close this, its a stomp.
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Kaguya can just thought based BFR zeno to be near her and just place him under genjutsu or paralysis or ash killing bone
 
TheGreatBanana said:
A squick....or a blink
and she can't do anything to stop that cuz it's nigh instant.
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It's shown that Zeno has to do his hand movements to erase something, even a single person such as Frost. After Kaguya puts Zeno in genjutsu or paralysis, she'll just kill him with Ash Killing Bones
 
Sdjlakjh said:
Kaguya can just thought based BFR zeno to be near her and just place him under genjutsu or paralysis or ash killing bone
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Btw, BFR mean "Battle field removal" as in, take the person out of the Battlefield. She not doing that here, she still keeping him in the field, so you saying "She gonna bfr her near her" is wrong.
 
Sdjlakjh said:
It's shown that Zeno has to do his hand movements to erase something, even a single person such as Frost. After Kaguya puts Zeno in genjutsu or paralysis, she'll just kill him with Ash Killing Bones
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When has she ever started with genjutsu? And how are ash killing bones are going to do anything??
And uh...a simple ass squish is quicker than whatever she can do.
 
I don't think Kaguya's first move is paralysis inducement, but rather opening portals to other dimensions to disorient her opponents, using her Yomotsu Hirasaka ability. This lets her control the battlefield by sending her enemies into hostile environments, like her lava or ice (which would be light work to Zeno) dimensions, which often puts them in defensive positions right and then use her All killing ash bones technique iirc?

Which wouldn't matter anyway since Zeno has 5D durability. So yeah unless her first move is paralysis inducement, then Zeno would effortlessly erase her along with the verse.
 
TheGreatBanana said:
He can move. Her bfr isn't as fast as his EE which targets her past, present and future. It will be as if she never existed at all, so it doesn't matter how fast she is. And even, even if everything you said worked, he can...uh just kinda blink her away.
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ur telling me closing hands is faster than Kaguya sending Zeno away via thoughts in place where closing hands isn't possible anymore?? Why do u keep missunderstanding the argument? Im saying Kaguya can pull wincoins faster than he can
 
Fezzih_007 said:
Btw, BFR mean "Battle field removal" as in, take the person out of the Battlefield. She not doing that here, she still keeping him in the field, so you saying "She gonna bfr her near her" is wrong.
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You still get my point, I dont wanna say teleportation alll the time cus I on wanna type long
 
CelestialVortex01 said:
I don't think Kaguya's first move is paralysis inducement, but rather opening portals to other dimensions to disorient her opponents, using her Yomotsu Hirasaka ability. This lets her control the battlefield by sending her enemies into hostile environments, like her lava or ice (which would be light work to Zeno) dimensions, which often puts them in defensive positions right and then use her All killing ash bones technique iirc?

Which wouldn't matter anyway since Zeno has 5D durability. So yeah unless her first move is paralysis inducement, then Zeno would effortlessly erase her along with the verse.
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Zeno's 5D durability wont matter as he has no resistances to deconstruction
 
Lloydblitzed said:
ur telling me closing hands is faster than Kaguya sending Zeno away via thoughts in place where closing hands isn't possible anymore?? Why do u keep missunderstanding the argument? Im saying Kaguya can pull wincoins faster than he can
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How is bfring a Wincon? How is that a win con against a mf who can insta erase the multiverse from wherever range he wants? Heck bfring is literally the worst move she can do. Also closing your first is faster.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
I think you don't exactly get it, in the process where she is telerporting him near her, Zeno would already have close his hands.

Like, she teleports him, but his hands are already gonna be closing.
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Thought Based BFR (Zeno still raising his arm here) -> ash killing bones/genjutsu/paralysis
 
Sdjlakjh said:
Zeno needs to do two actions to erase someone, thought based actions >>> any other type
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This is how it will go

1.Zeno raises his hand

2. Kaguya uses her teleportation technique which is thought based?

3. Since the target doesn't get paralyzed during the teleportation process he'd still continue closing his fist

For example if character X is holding a gun and Y has thought based BFR while character X is laying his finger and is about to shoot he gets teleported while pressing on the gun's trigger but in Zeno's case his EE is Omni directional so there's no way Kaguya could avoid that
 
CelestialVortex01 said:
This is how it will go

1.Zeno raises his hand

2. Kaguya uses her teleportation technique which is thought based?

3. Since the target doesn't get paralyzed during the teleportation process he'd still continue closing his fist

For example if character X is holding a gun and Y has thought based BFR while character X is laying his finger and is about to shoot he gets teleported while pressing on the gun's trigger but in Zeno's case his EE is Omni directional so there's no way Kaguya could avoid that
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Kaguya tps first, Zeno then raises his hand (since Kaguya's bfr is thought based) then Kaguya can just open her eyes and put Zeno in genjutsu (he still haven't clench his fist yet) and gg with ash killing bones
 
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