RandomGuy2345
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Deadass the best counterarguments some of y'all can come up with is "Lol no" or "lmfao".
Do better.
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Kachon's Husbando Vs TheMonkeMan's Worst Nightmare - Sanji Vs Lucci
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There's a big difference in the high tiers to god tiers
Lucci was inferior in every aspect against base gear 5 who needed multiple amps just to fight a tired and exausted kaidou, he got knocked out in 3 hits and was nearly losing his conscious with each strike
Just by being in gear 5 won't make luffy equal to kaidou level as he needed amps and acoc at every turn while being heavily punished by kaidou when he tried to goof off
Against lucci he was playing around with him the whole fight and never needed to amp himself or use acoc
Lucci should not be too far above the other Cp0 and should be around Queen/King level scaling wise
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RandomGuy2345
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Dude, don't even joke about that.
It only makes you look worse and degrades the argument.
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So basically
"I disagree because I disagree and my headcanon trumps everything the profile says about him".
Lucci is a god tier.
Luffy laughing in a laughing transformation doesn't mean he's playing around.
Luffy didn't need Hao to hurt Kaidou. I'm tired of having this argument
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G5 always goofs around, he even did so when fighting Kaido
Funny, considering King beat Sanji in another vs thread.
DaMonkeMan
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It's just 2 people fighting/meeting each other's attacks.
Guess it's a crime to question things huh.
Did I say I was right or did I simply say I was trying to be reasonable about the situation at hand?
Nice argument buddy.
On a rock. Bro needed Armament. For a rock.
Sanji destroyed a mech arm with out Haki, iirc.
Sanji can barrage too.
"burned a dinosaur"
**** does this even mean.
What are you spouting about now?
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He stretches his arm behind him. Pulls it in front of him. Hits Lucci.
Literally the same technique we've seen him do since childhood.
Luffy did the same thing to him so you can cut the shit lol
-Guy who tried to make Johnny Test Class M for throwing a rope at someone.
DaMonkeMan
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Do you know how long it took Lucci to do this?
RandomGuy2345
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At least I had an argument that wasn't just "lol" or "lmfao". I at least had something to stand on for the time being until I looked further into it.
Though this is derailment, so y'all can continue gooning.
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We're not just saying "lol" or "lmfao". What a weird misinterpretation of what's happening.
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No, but the fact is that he has a 2-year head start on Sanji.
And in terms of skill as a whole, he literally mastered a 6-part martial art and unlocked its 7th move.
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Strawmanning when that's never what i implied?
Luffy consistently got punished against kaidou in his weakest state, if he wans't with his amps he was being beaten around and dominated by him until he got to the end attack
Against lucci, luffy was free to do whatever he wanted
Even without any form of amps he dominated and dictated the entire fight
And show me where base gear 5 luffy was matching kaidou without any amps
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In chapter 1026, Luffy hurts Zoan Kaido with zero Hao and only Buso once in base with Emission (but no dura neg) and then uses G3 with Buso only and no Hao to hurt Kaido again.
Gear 5 with Buso scales way above those 2 feats.
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In fact we don't even know if he needed 2 years for it. We know that people like Luffy could use Gear Fourth and Haki after a few months of training, but he was still trying to perfect that for the rest of the time. Sanji is presumably the same with his techniques.
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No, it's not
"I'm the only one here who isn't mindlessly saying FRA or wanking Lucci to oblivion"
You used
As a skill feat
He needed armament for a rock thrown by Luffy.
Same dude who used Kaidou as a jump rope.
And Lucci split a seastone ship without Haki. Your point is?
Luffy was destroying rocks back in Arlong Park.
You wanna say Lucci's rock level?
Sanji can not do a ranged barrage
"His heat is really high, he could burn Queen". Thats its only heat feat.
Go and read over Sabaody
I'm not about to be in a One Piece debate referencing characters that simple reading would fully fill you in on
No, he used Whip on an offguard Lucci
"Sends Luffy not doing the same"
Send manga, we don't scale off the anime
And yet its more valid than you saying Sanji kicking a damn ship is a skill feat
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Most of y'all arguments are very vague responses at best, and are just head scratchers at worse. And I'm not just talking about you. There's a reason why I said "I don't know who to vote for" earlier on.
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Based only on the non-vague arguments, do you have any opinion?
Most of y'all arguments are very vague responses at best, and are just head scratchers at worse. And I'm not just talking about you. There's a reason why I said "I don't know who to vote for" earlier on.
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Johnny Test man what do you need clarification on
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I think I'm slightly more towards Lucci tbh.
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RandomGuy2345
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I know Johnny Test is great and all, but can we talk about it via DM and not derail this thread lol.
RandomGuy2345
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I'm not voting yet.
I think King's reasons are slightly more convincing, despite his very vague arguments earlier on (though that applies to a portion of the people here).
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He knocked kaidou down with g3 but there was no real sign of damage or hurting him, he knocked him down before without hurting him as well
Them he hurt him using an amp
Where base gear 5 is shown to scale above haou or acoc amps?
I can't even find where you guys scale base gear 5 above gear 3 lol so this reply was useless
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I mean say what you need clarification on so i/we can clarify it if that helps bring a verdict
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Man this thread is full of poorly disguised headcanon, I don't even know why I'm still here.
Might leave until an actual argument is presented for both sides but my vote can be kept.
Also Romeu08 is spitting fax right now
Might leave until an actual argument is presented for both sides but my vote can be kept.
Also Romeu08 is spitting fax right now
RandomGuy2345
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I'll read through this thread one more time and I'll cast my vote.
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His base self with normal buso emission and no dura neg did notable damage to Kaido (as in, making him bleed and cry out in pain), and Gear 5 scales above this by a gargantuan amount.
And it's literally said by the Elders that Gear 5 makes Luffy way stronger than before.
DaMonkeMan
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When.
The Elders don't know squat. They're just 5 old guys who sit on their asses in a tower like they're a fictional princess.
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1026
Yes, the dudes who wanted to keep Gear 5 a secret from the entire world at all costs, clearly know nothing about it and want to cover it up just for funsies.
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Bro, i am 99% sure you're the one who said he was using Kenbu there to begin with, also, basic Kenbu allows to do exactly what he did so i see no inconsistency in giving that feat to his Kenbu.
Also, isn't that because doing something with cheat codes is easier than doing it without them? Like, i think you get this comparison.
Never claimed it was, his Kenbu is worse than Enel's sure, but he had it during their fight.
No, cause TB is FTE, not just slightly faster, but Drake's basic attacks to Kaido's basic attacks? Any reason the speed gap would be meaningful at all against someone with Kenbu?
Him using Kenbu there is the most logical explanation, Queen was aware that Sanji's power was invisibility and he still noticed his vanishing came from speed, that implies he couldn't sense Sanji.
Sure, sanji has his own feats of dealing with internal damage.
He wrote that below the FRA, so it wouldn't be included in his FRA LMAO.
RandomGuy2345
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After torturing myself by reading this thread a second time (seriously. Some of the arguments gave me headaches), I'm confident in casting a vote for Lucci.
The arguments made for his skill, speed amps, and more are a bit more convincing for me.
Now watch everyone become sheep and vote Lucci.
The arguments made for his skill, speed amps, and more are a bit more convincing for me.
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L oser
You're assuming everything he's ever done was attributed to that
And Luffy could land hits on Enel, who's Kenbun is better
I'm talking about AP
Logical explanations and Kenbunshoku don't tie together when these mfs barely use it
List them
The RA he's F'ing are "he shouldn't be High 6-A and he shouldn't have his speed rating".
That isn't a good reason
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It's a good reason but he should make a CRT and I'll honestly help him because I'm tired of the bull shit these Lucci wankers spew on this site.
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