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Kachon's Husbando Vs TheMonkeMan's Worst Nightmare - Sanji Vs Lucci
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You're right, but there's this as well. Queen not being able to react to Diable Jambe Sanji 2 times in a row
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No he didn't.
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He literally said "You're exhausted too!" after sending Queen reeling with Hell Memories.
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After Sanji kicked Queen with Hell's Memories, Queen had the dialogue about Lunarians. They didn't mention anything about being tired.
Godernet
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Wait are we really saying just because Lucci fought G5 Luffy he’s above anyone who hasn’t fought Luffy?
Kaido hit Kinemon with an Adv conq attack and multiple regular attacks and he was still moving around for the rest of the raid.
unless we’re saying Kinemon>Sanji. Getting hit a couple of times by a Yonko does not automatically put you over Sanji.
Kaido hit Kinemon with an Adv conq attack and multiple regular attacks and he was still moving around for the rest of the raid.
unless we’re saying Kinemon>Sanji. Getting hit a couple of times by a Yonko does not automatically put you over Sanji.
DaMonkeMan
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I mean this is probably an outlier but since there's other things that prove your point I'll let you cook.
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I’m inclined to vote for Lucci because he could briefly grapple with G5 Luffy, he has a mastery of both his Devil Fruit and Rokushiki and has likely honed his Rokushiki over the two-year Timeskip.
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4-3 in Lucci's favor
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Make that 4-4.Sanji FRA
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Lucci FRA
DaMonkeMan
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oh brother
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Me: Comes in, says no arguments, bashes nobody, indulges no one, just reads and agrees
You mfs:
You mfs:
DaMonkeMan
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Because this is top tier clowneryMe: Comes in, says no arguments, bashes nobody, indulges no one, just reads and agrees
You mfs:
" OH MY GOD!!! HE CLASHED WITH G5 LUFFY!! H6A!! LUCCI GOD ITER!1!1 "
" So Crocodile clashed with Mihawk, this doesn't mean anything, we're not gonna make him H6A it's just a measly clash anyway "
If y'all wanna be fan girls over stuff like that then give my boy Crocodile a H6A profile for his performance at Marineford, don't be biased..
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Vastly superior skill and experience.
Far higher AP/durability.
Rokushiki gives Lucci speed amp (Soru and Kamisori), durability amp (Tekkai, which basically doubles his durability like when he fought Luffy at Enies Lobby), dura neg (Rokugan), and superior range (Rankyaku).
Superior stamina/regen, especially with his Zoan traits.
Speed is arguably above Sanji's (as he somewhat kept up with G5), and he can amp it with Soru and Kami-Sori.
DaMonkeMan
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"He has higher AP and speed because Luffy clashed with him" basically
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Because he did, and because he is
He never clashed with Mihawk
We tried it, and it was inconsistent with his other showings.
Stop calling everybody biased. You do this all the time.
This wasn't even why I voted Lucci
But okay, I'll indulge this headassery even though I didn't want to
Without any Rokushiki, Lucci had a Haki clash against Luffy, putting his AP far above where Sanji scales. With that in mind, his Busoshoku Haki is ridiculously further than where Sanji's scales. So he has AP and Haki above.
He withstood hits from Luffy offguard without tekkai or buso.
Lucci has Kami-e to dodge his attacks in close range.
Lucci would also outrange with Rankakyu.
Tekkai he's withstanding stronger hits.
With Shigan he's stabbing Sanji.
With Soru/Kamisoru he's matching Sanji's speed amps.
He can redirect the force of Sanji's hits with Utsugi.
And the absolute unit in endurance and stamina is crazy too.
You said that Sanji kicking ships and kicking with accuracy makes him more skilled than the most skilled assassin of Cipher Pol history. Alright.
The guy who's more skilled than Luffy is outskilled by "can kick ships in the air".
He was losing to a dude swinging a frying pan and a sword aimlessly. Don't ever compare his skill to Lucci's again.
This is a mismatch. Lucci bodies.
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The fact that he's superior in skill to Enies Lobby Luffy
Who based on our profiles has mountains of more skill feats that Sanji
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Experience, sure.
But skill? You're joking.
Lucci spent his whole life beating literal randoms no one even knows, Sanji literally has a fighting style of his own and can literally rearrange people's bones with his precision, give me any feat that places Lucci at this level.
Far higher my ass, they scale to the same value.
Sanji has better speed amps (went FTE to a Kenbu user, Lucci never did this)
No, it doesn't double his durability unless it was stated to double it and i know it wasn't.
Dura neg that couldn't even kill a beaten up Luffy who had no regen and now couldn't kill a literal random, not doing anything against Sanji (who has many feats of fighting with internal damage anyways) and has enough regen to recover from it in moments.
Superior regen? Wtf? His regen doesn't even have a rating, while Sanji has High Low
Wtf? G5 doesn't even amp Luffy's speed afaik and just like the AP, they scale to the same value.
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Are you okay?
Lucci outskilling Luffy
They scale from the same value, not to the same value
"Went FTE to a Kenbun user" is not a better speed amp when the feats of said Kenbun user are shit
Please don't ever downplay somebody's dura neg cause they can't defeat Luffy of all people, who has dozens of feats of fighting with internal damage
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Lucci was considered the best CP9 agent in the organization's history, and mastered all 9 arts to unlock Rokugan.
Sanji's skill ain't got shit on that.
I mean, ffs, Lucci's main identity is a top-tier professional ASSASSAIN. The skill part goes without saying, nvm his on-screen stuff!
And yeah, like Kingtempest said, Luffy resists internal damage all the time, using him to measure the effects of dura neg isn't fair.
As for AP, Awakened Lucci =< Gear 5 w/ Buso only >> Gear 3 and Base w/ Buso only = Zoan Kaido
Post-Exoskeleton Sanji >= Hybrid Queen <<< Kaido and Big Mom (such as when Kaido and BM clashed and they were stated by the beast pirates to be miles above anyone else there including Queen).
Sanji's skill ain't got shit on that.
I mean, ffs, Lucci's main identity is a top-tier professional ASSASSAIN. The skill part goes without saying, nvm his on-screen stuff!
And yeah, like Kingtempest said, Luffy resists internal damage all the time, using him to measure the effects of dura neg isn't fair.
As for AP, Awakened Lucci =< Gear 5 w/ Buso only >> Gear 3 and Base w/ Buso only = Zoan Kaido
Post-Exoskeleton Sanji >= Hybrid Queen <<< Kaido and Big Mom (such as when Kaido and BM clashed and they were stated by the beast pirates to be miles above anyone else there including Queen).
RandomGuy2345
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Average HST versus thread.
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Sanji<Furry.
What a sight to see.
Lucci FRA
What a sight to see.
Lucci FRA
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I mean, he became a furry simp himself on Zou Island when he began spamming the "Garchu" button.
Also, I believe it's now 6-4 for Lucci.
DaMonkeMan
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No he isn't.
We don't even have proof that G5 Luffy with basic Armament is H6A. Every other time he attacked with G5 he either amped him self via buffing his muscles or turning into a giant or rubberizing his surroundings. As well as mixing Haki with his techniques. Here he just transforms and uses Armament.
Okay KT. Okay.
I'm not wrong though.
I'm the only one here who isn't mindlessly saying FRA or wanking Lucci to oblivion. I try to actually be reasonable about the situation, and that's why I don't think Lucci is H6A, dude has like 1 feat post ts.
I already addressed this before.
And in turn Luffy was barely trying too. Dude used Armament like once.
Generous, as this is assuming he'll react in time.
Sanji can dodge.
Sure but he's still getting ****** up by Ifrit Jambe and the heat isn't a joke.
Ooh so scary, not like Shugan is a stronger technique and it couldn't even knock out Sentomaru, how is a weaker technique hurting Sanji?
Holy shit a fat man with an axe could perceive him while he was using his Awakening and Soru you gotta be trolling if you think Sanji can't react to him easily.
I completely forgot about this and honestly can't find a clip of it being used so I'll ignore this argument.
Yeah man being knocked out by 3 basic G5 attacks is nutty as hell innit?
Luffy was matching him and eventually nearly killed him at the end of their first fight and you think he's more skilled than him.
Like Dragnoir said, all Lucci has done is bully random guys with his techniques, as soon as he fought someone who's actually competent he was getting blocked and perceived even with speed amps.
"Lucci bodies" LOL. If anything he's getting knocked out quite fast if we take his "battle" with G5 Luffy into consideration.
Wth does HST mean?
I know this is about to become a FRA train in a minute but I'll still try to argue.
RandomGuy2345
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Holy Shonen Trinity
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Check his profile
You clearly don't know what a clash is
Usually when 1 person thinks they're right, they're probably wrong
in the assest way possible
Lucci used it once
lol
Lucci can barrage
"heat isn't a joke, burned a dinosaur"
Couldn't knock out the dude with the strongest guard in the world with no antifeats that he put down through his guard and eventually KO'd em
A fat man with no antifeats
I love how you say "basic" when none of em are basic
Did you not read when he sent Luffy flying into a building in water 7?
Please go and read Lucci vs Luffy again
lmfao
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Bitch ******* Buggy is a Yonkou right now, everyone is Yonkou level!
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You shouldn't even consider this vote, mans just said "I disagree with the profile's main reason for his tier being that high"
DaMonkeMan
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This is my fault though, I know they're stubborn and I know what will happen if I argue on this thread because the same stuff happened in a CRT for Lucci, I'm the foolish one because I don't be man enough to just leave this behind and move on.
RandomGuy2345
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I'm not targeting anyone in particular, I'm just saying these are how most HST versus threads are.
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Yes, what about you, Mary Kate?
When did he outskill Luffy? He wouldn't even have dodge his Gatling without Kenbushoku, outskilled my ass.
That literally means the gap between them isn't quantifiable, why would it give any meaningful advantage in a thread?
Doesn't matter? Lucci literally doesn't go FTE to Kenbu and Non-Kenbu users, Sanji goes FTE to a basic Kenbu user, it is a better feat no matter how you look at it.
? Did Luffy at that time even have these feats? Iirc his best dura neg feats come from that fight.
He still said FRA, wtf King? He said something wrong yeah but the FRA is still there.
RandomGuy2345
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I tried reading through this thread, but some of the counterarguments both sides made are straight booty buns, so I don't know who to vote for.
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This makes no sense, especially since we literally had a CRT on this.
It has been explained above, that Lucci w/buso matched a buso G5 who scales above the normal Buso of Luffy's Base and G3 that can hurt Zoan Kaido.
But, he did say FRA, King.
So his vote can be added.
If I'm not mistaken it is currently 6-5 in Lucci's favor (no idea why this is so close).
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Prove he used Kenbun.
From what's accepted on this site his Kenbun pre TS was ass
Every time someone has an ability, yall downplay everything they do cause of their ability
This isn't like Enel and Luffy.
So with your logic Kaidou's Thunder Bagua and Base Drake's punches aren't too far apart in a thread for a meaningful gap right?
Sanji goes FTE to a dogshit Kenbun user with no proof of him using Kenbun.
Like what.
They came from impact dials in the arc before
When the FRA is based on bullshit then no
If the argument is "Lucci shouldn't be H6A" in a "Lucci H6A fight" then the agreeal is trash and so is the original argument
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