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You're right, but there's this as well. Queen not being able to react to Diable Jambe Sanji 2 times in a rowI was under the impression this Diable Jambe was classified under "Sanji + Diable + Super speed" on your scaling chain.
No he didn't.Sanji and Queen were both equally exhausted, Sanji said so himself.
He literally said "You're exhausted too!" after sending Queen reeling with Hell Memories.No he didn't.
After Sanji kicked Queen with Hell's Memories, Queen had the dialogue about Lunarians. They didn't mention anything about being tired.He literally said "You're exhausted too!" after sending Queen reeling with Hell Memories.
I mean this is probably an outlier but since there's other things that prove your point I'll let you cook.Kaido hit Kinemon with an Adv conq attack and multiple regular attacks and he was still moving around for the rest of the raid.
4-3 in Lucci's favorI’m inclined to vote for Lucci because he could briefly grapple with G5 Luffy, he has a mastery of both his Devil Fruit and Rokushiki and has likely honed his Rokushiki over the two-year Timeskip.
Make that 4-4.Sanji FRA
Because this is top tier clowneryMe: Comes in, says no arguments, bashes nobody, indulges no one, just reads and agrees
You mfs:
Vastly superior skill and experience....
Can someone summarize the arguments for Lucci winning this?
"He has higher AP and speed because Luffy clashed with him" basically...
Can someone summarize the arguments for Lucci winning this?
Because he did, and because he isBecause this is top tier clownery
" OH MY GOD!!! HE CLASHED WITH G5 LUFFY!! H6A!! LUCCI GOD ITER!1!1 "
He never clashed with Mihawk" So Crocodile clashed with Mihawk, this doesn't mean anything, we're not gonna make him H6A it's just a measly clash anyway "
We tried it, and it was inconsistent with his other showings.If y'all wanna be fan girls over stuff like that then give my boy Crocodile a H6A profile for his performance at Marineford, don't be biased..
Based on?Vastly superior skill
It's just notSpeed is arguably above Sanji's (as he somewhat kept up with G5), and he can amp it with Soru and Kami-Sori.
The fact that he's superior in skill to Enies Lobby LuffyBased on?
Experience, sure.Vastly superior skill and experience.
Far higher my ass, they scale to the same value.Far higher AP/durability.
Sanji has better speed amps (went FTE to a Kenbu user, Lucci never did this)Rokushiki gives Lucci speed amp (Soru and Kamisori)
No, it doesn't double his durability unless it was stated to double it and i know it wasn't.durability amp (Tekkai, which basically doubles his durability like when he fought Luffy at Enies Lobby)
Dura neg that couldn't even kill a beaten up Luffy who had no regen and now couldn't kill a literal random, not doing anything against Sanji (who has many feats of fighting with internal damage anyways) and has enough regen to recover from it in moments.Dra neg (Rokugan), and superior range (Rankyaku).
Superior regen? Wtf? His regen doesn't even have a rating, while Sanji has High LowSuperior stamina/regen, especially with his Zoan traits.
Wtf? G5 doesn't even amp Luffy's speed afaik and just like the AP, they scale to the same value.Speed is arguably above Sanji's (as he somewhat kept up with G5)
Are you okay?Experience, sure.
But skill? You're joking.
Lucci outskilling LuffyLucci spent his whole life beating literal randoms no one even knows, Sanji literally has a fighting style of his own and can literally rearrange people's bones with his precision, give me any feat that places Lucci at this level.
They scale from the same value, not to the same valueFar higher my ass, they scale to the same value.
"Went FTE to a Kenbun user" is not a better speed amp when the feats of said Kenbun user are shitSanji has better speed amps (went FTE to a Kenbu user, Lucci never did this)
Please don't ever downplay somebody's dura neg cause they can't defeat Luffy of all people, who has dozens of feats of fighting with internal damageDura neg that couldn't even kill a beaten up Luffy who had no regen and now couldn't kill a literal random, not doing anything against Sanji (who has many feats of fighting with internal damage anyways) and has enough regen to recover from it in moments.
I mean, he became a furry simp himself on Zou Island when he began spamming the "Garchu" button.Sanji<Furry.
What a sight to see.
Lucci FRA
No he isn't.Because he did, and because he is
Okay KT. Okay.He never clashed with Mihawk
We tried it, and it was inconsistent with his other showings.
I'm not wrong though.Stop calling everybody biased. You do this all the time.
I already addressed this before.This wasn't even why I voted Lucci
But okay, I'll indulge this headassery even though I didn't want to
Without any Rokushiki, Lucci had a Haki clash against Luffy, putting his AP far above where Sanji scales. With that in mind, his Busoshoku Haki is ridiculously further than where Sanji's scales. So he has AP and Haki above.
And in turn Luffy was barely trying too. Dude used Armament like once.He withstood hits from Luffy offguard without tekkai or buso.
Generous, as this is assuming he'll react in time.Lucci has Kami-e to dodge his attacks in close range.
Sanji can dodge.Lucci would also outrange with Rankakyu.
Sure but he's still getting ****** up by Ifrit Jambe and the heat isn't a joke.Tekkai he's withstanding stronger hits.
Ooh so scary, not like Shugan is a stronger technique and it couldn't even knock out Sentomaru, how is a weaker technique hurting Sanji?With Shigan he's stabbing Sanji.
Holy shit a fat man with an axe could perceive him while he was using his Awakening and Soru you gotta be trolling if you think Sanji can't react to him easily.With Soru/Kamisoru he's matching Sanji's speed amps.
I completely forgot about this and honestly can't find a clip of it being used so I'll ignore this argument.He can redirect the force of Sanji's hits with Utsugi.
Yeah man being knocked out by 3 basic G5 attacks is nutty as hell innit?And the absolute unit in endurance and stamina is crazy too.
Luffy was matching him and eventually nearly killed him at the end of their first fight and you think he's more skilled than him.You said that Sanji kicking ships and kicking with accuracy makes him more skilled than the most skilled assassin of Cipher Pol history. Alright.
The guy who's more skilled than Luffy is outskilled by "can kick ships in the air".
He was losing to a dude swinging a frying pan and a sword aimlessly. Don't ever compare his skill to Lucci's again.
This is a mismatch. Lucci bodies.
Wth does HST mean?Average HST versus thread.
Holy Shonen TrinityWth does HST mean?
Check his profileNo he isn't.
We don't even have proof that G5 Luffy with basic Armament is H6A. Every other time he attacked with G5 he either amped him self via buffing his muscles or turning into a giant or rubberizing his surroundings. As well as mixing Haki with his techniques. Here he just transforms and uses Armament.
You clearly don't know what a clash isOkay KT. Okay.
Usually when 1 person thinks they're right, they're probably wrongI'm not wrong though.
I'm the only one here who isn't mindlessly saying FRA or wanking Lucci to oblivion. I try to actually be reasonable about the situation, and that's why I don't think Lucci is H6A, dude has like 1 feat post ts.
in the assest way possibleI already addressed this before.
Lucci used it onceAnd in turn Luffy was barely trying too. Dude used Armament like once.
lolGenerous, as this is assuming he'll react in time.
Lucci can barrageSanji can dodge.
"heat isn't a joke, burned a dinosaur"Sure but he's still getting ****** up by Ifrit Jambe and the heat isn't a joke.
Couldn't knock out the dude with the strongest guard in the world with no antifeats that he put down through his guard and eventually KO'd emOoh so scary, not like Shugan is a stronger technique and it couldn't even knock out Sentomaru, how is a weaker technique hurting Sanji?
A fat man with no antifeatsHoly shit a fat man with an axe could perceive him while he was using his Awakening and Soru you gotta be trolling if you think Sanji can't react to him easily.
I love how you say "basic" when none of em are basicYeah man being knocked out by 3 basic G5 attacks is nutty as hell innit?
Did you not read when he sent Luffy flying into a building in water 7?Luffy was matching him and eventually nearly killed him at the end of their first fight and you think he's more skilled than him.
Please go and read Lucci vs Luffy againLike Dragnoir said, all Lucci has done is bully random guys with his techniques, as soon as he fought someone who's actually competent he was getting blocked and perceived even with speed amps.
lmfao"Lucci bodies" LOL. If anything he's getting knocked out quite fast if we take his "battle" with G5 Luffy into consideration.
Bitch ******* Buggy is a Yonkou right now, everyone is Yonkou level!I don't see Lucci scaling to yonkou level
You shouldn't even consider this vote, mans just said "I disagree with the profile's main reason for his tier being that high"Sanji fra
I don't see Lucci scaling to yonkou level
This is my fault though, I know they're stubborn and I know what will happen if I argue on this thread because the same stuff happened in a CRT for Lucci, I'm the foolish one because I don't be man enough to just leave this behind and move on.Holy Shonen Trinity
I'm not targeting anyone in particular, I'm just saying these are how most HST versus threads are.This is my fault though, I know they're stubborn and I know what will happen if I argue on this thread because the same stuff happened in a CRT for Lucci, I'm the foolish one because I don't be man enough to just leave this behind and move on.
Yes, what about you, Mary Kate?Are you okay?
When did he outskill Luffy? He wouldn't even have dodge his Gatling without Kenbushoku, outskilled my ass.Lucci outskilling Luffy
That literally means the gap between them isn't quantifiable, why would it give any meaningful advantage in a thread?They scale from the same value, not to the same value
Doesn't matter? Lucci literally doesn't go FTE to Kenbu and Non-Kenbu users, Sanji goes FTE to a basic Kenbu user, it is a better feat no matter how you look at it."Went FTE to a Kenbun user" is not a better speed amp when the feats of said Kenbun user are shit
? Did Luffy at that time even have these feats? Iirc his best dura neg feats come from that fight.Please don't ever downplay somebody's dura neg cause they can't defeat Luffy of all people, who has dozens of feats of fighting with internal damage
He still said FRA, wtf King? He said something wrong yeah but the FRA is still there.You shouldn't even consider this vote, mans just said "I disagree with the profile's main reason for his tier being that high"
This makes no sense, especially since we literally had a CRT on this.Sanji fra
I don't see Lucci scaling to yonkou level
Prove he used Kenbun.When did he outskill Luffy? He wouldn't even have dodge his Gatling without Kenbushoku, outskilled my ass.
So with your logic Kaidou's Thunder Bagua and Base Drake's punches aren't too far apart in a thread for a meaningful gap right?That literally means the gap between them isn't quantifiable, why would it give any meaningful advantage in a thread?
Sanji goes FTE to a dogshit Kenbun user with no proof of him using Kenbun.Doesn't matter? Lucci literally doesn't go FTE to Kenbu and Non-Kenbu users, Sanji goes FTE to a basic Kenbu user, it is a better feat no matter how you look at it.
They came from impact dials in the arc before? Did Luffy at that time even have these feats? Iirc his best dura neg feats come from that fight.
When the FRA is based on bullshit then noHe still said FRA, wtf King? He said something wrong yeah but the FRA is still there.