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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Giannysmag said:
But he did react to it. He percieved it, raised up his hands and blocked it,
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This? It's subsonic.
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Giannysmag said:
But he did react to it. He percieved it, raised up his hands and blocked it, which didn't happen with Naoya even tho they crossed a similair distance and PS is faster. That's why I call the Naoya blitz inconsistent
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It wasn’t a greater distance, Naoya was close to them, he statued them both.

And why are you calling Naoya blitzing them inconsistent and not the other way around? Why should I consider Yuji reacting to PB consistent?
 
Arkenis said:
This? It's subsonic.
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Giannysmag said:
That's not my point. My point is that the Naoya blitz is inconsistent with what Gege himself has showed us since Yuji can react to a supersonic attack one moment (while off guard btw) but can't react to a subsonic guy the next.

It's not like Shibuya Yuji level characters have feats beyond mach 1 anyway but they shouldn't be gatekept out of say Subsonic+ because of Naoya
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M3X_2.0 said:
It wasn’t a greater distance, Naoya was close to them, he statued them both.
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Never said it was a greater distance and Naoya was infact not close to them
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M3X_2.0 said:
And why are you calling Naoya blitzing them inconsistent and not the other way around? Why should I consider Yuji reacting to PB consistent?
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Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)
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Giannysmag said:
e and Naoya was infact not close to them
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I’m talking about the next page where he goes closer to them.
Giannysmag said:
Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)
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He was blitzed by PB twice, it’s why he gets hit. This is why we have a rule for calcs like this. Yuji reacts to PB at close range because PB blitzes him.

And if we’re talking about consistency, then Choso Vs Naoya has more Naoya blitzing feats than PB reacting feats from Yuji.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
I’m talking about the next page where he goes closer to them.
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This?

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Cause I wouldn't call this statueing since both have visibly moved by the time Naoya is offscreen. They also both notice before he finishes moving since the panel after their reaction has a sound effect and an air puff on the ground, implying that's when Naoya stopped moving.
This is what I'd consider statueing
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(read Sakamoto days btw)
M3X_2.0 said:
He was blitzed by PB twice, it’s why he gets hit. This is why we have a rule for calcs like this. Yuji reacts to PB at close range because PB blitzes him.
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That's confusing. Would that mean Yuji has higher combat speed than reaction speed? Since he can move his arms up in amuch shorter timeframe than he can percieve. Also on the second feat Yuji reacts late because he was suspended mid air
M3X_2.0 said:
And if we’re talking about consistency, then Choso Vs Naoya has more Naoya blitzing feats than PB reacting feats from Yuji.
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Fair on this
Arkenis said:
That second reaction he literally gets cut across the face. It's a not a good reaction feat
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Still dodged which he didn't do with Naoya

Anyway Imma go take a shower
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Fair point on the second one, but my point is that using Naobito being known in-universe to be the second fastest at surface level to cap the top tier characters that come in after is a slippery slope
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People have got to stop giving Noabito so much flack when it's actually Naoya who handicapped JJK's speed. Naoya was the guy who casually blitzed Yuji and Choso right before Yuta got into a fight with Yuji where he complimented Yuji's speed and had to use Rika to hold him in place only for it to turn out Naoya doesn't surpass subsonic speed until he starts using Projection Sorcery over an extended period to hit top speed and is capable of running laps around Heavenly Restricted Maki who had Toji's stats and that it took Curse Naoya using a combination of a Binding Vow and jet streams to hit Mach 3
 
Giannysmag said:
That's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance
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Wrong, Yuji raised his block before Piercing Blood got fired
 
Giannysmag said:
Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)
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I used to hype up this feat until KingTempest pointed out that there's a long cut across Yuji's face meaning Piercing Blood's tip was still in contact with his face throughout the dodge feat which makes this way less impressive, not to mention the whole reason Yuji jumped in this scene was to determine the timing of Choso firing Piercing Blood and Yuji himself admits it would've been a 50/50 chance of avoiding it, the whole scene is framed as a damn near miss and some luck on Yuji's part
 
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One of my posts mostly regarding Naoya and Naobito's "speed capping" from another JJK thread



W/the context we have here, I don't really get why Naobito and Naoya would be speed ceilings for the verse. I find the narrator's statement on Naobito's status as the fastest as a bit vague if you think about it and leaves room for exceptions (I know it's Gojo but still).
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All of Naobito's feats we've seen are performed when he's inebriated and at retirement age, if I'm being frank. I imagine he'd have much higher speed when he was younger and sober. The note of his strategic framing and timing can imply that Naobito's status comes less from raw speed but how he was able to utilize it and his technique w/such efficient capabilities. Not to mention, he can temporarily freeze an opponent under the right conditions. For the "known as" part, do we have anything to confirm that's some kind of official evaluation and it takes every sorcerer into account, including the special grades? Or the students/others that Gojo is confident in being able to redefine what Special Grades are capable of and/or have the potential to equal, if not, surpass him?

I don't have much to say about Naoya other than he's such an egotistical, narcissistic ###### to think that he can be on par w/TOJI and GOJO! (I think I get a tiny aneurism every time I remember him genuinely believing that) And he got dodged by Maki when she just awakened her new HR capabilities and then there's a month and-a-half timeskip of training for the cast to take into account.

Hope this makes sense! Peace and Blessings
 
JnSteHar002 said:
All of Naobito's feats we've seen are performed when he's inebriated and at retirement age, if I'm being frank. I imagine he'd have much higher speed when he was younger and sober. The note of his strategic framing and timing can imply that Naobito's status comes less from raw speed but how he was able to utilize it and his technique w/such efficient capabilities. Not to mention, he can temporarily freeze an opponent under the right conditions. For the "known as" part, do we have anything to confirm that's some kind of official evaluation and it takes every sorcerer into account, including the special grades? Or the students/others that Gojo is confident in being able to redefine what Special Grades are capable of and/or have the potential to equal, if not, surpass him?
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Him at a younger age being faster is unfounded, it shouldn't have an impact on how we scale, especially when age is never really implied to hinder one's ce reinforcement or output. The title is still from raw speed, its giving reasons why people viewed him as such which everything they give goes into utilizing speed in combat therefore other's sense strategic of framing and timing aren't on his level. For the known part, that is the confirmation, he's recognized by the society as the fastest sorcerer and given this happened at a younger age when he was likely more active in exorcising and interacting with other sorcerers and cursed users we can deduce this notoriety doesn't need to be an "official evaluation" like they timed his speed compared to hundreds of others or something. It's taking special grades into account given it excludes Gojo but not the other known special grades like Geto or Yuta or else Gege would have said "except special grades". Gojo doesn't believe his students are able to redefine special grades, he's saying the new generation won't be just special grades (like Geto and Gojo have) going against the higher ups authority.
 
Arkenis said:
How do you know he was playing? Why was it increasing? Don't ignore the context lmao he's literally in domain and using DA of course his outputs increasing. Sukuna didn't blitz anything. And his dismantle didn't blitz either.
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How? Because in chapter 227 we see sukuna being relative and even superior to a domain amped +blue gojo, if sukuna wasnt playing with a no ct gojo, burnout and no domain then he wouldve get destroyed by gojo with CT, domain
also, where is stated that d.a increases output?
 
Arkenis said:
IT'S A DOMAIN.
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Ok, and?? Where is stated that domain amp increases output? You can search anywhere things about d.a and none of them says that it increases output

Gojo said sukunas output is increasing because on previous chapters sukuna was playing with him and not going all out, thats why a no domain and no blue gojo was capable of throwing hands with sukuna, because sukuna wasnt going all out and wasnt even using his max output
 
LIGHTYW said:
Ok, and?? Where is stated that domain amp increases output? You can search anywhere things about d.a and none of them says that it increases output
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Domains amp output. Domain Amplification is a Domain therefore it amps outputs.
 
So
Arkenis said:
Domains amp output. Domain Amplification is a Domain therefore it amps outputs.
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Its a headcannon lol? In the entire series, in everytime someone uses d.a it wasnt stated that increases output,

Also, if does, why didnt gojo stated that on chap 224?? Where sukuna amplifies and overcomes his infinity, why didnt gojo said " whoa, d.a is increasing his output " right here?
And sukuna in chap 227 was using d.a since the beginning of domain clash, after gojo just uses domain, sukuna uses amplification and grabs his legs and even throw an elbow
If d.a increases output, Why and how didnt gojo perceived that right here?

Because it doesnt lol, its very simple and easy to connect that gojo said "his output is increasing" because earlier, sukuna was playing and not using 100% output, thats why gojo got the upperhand even withouth CT and no domain, because sukuna wasnt serious using low output, but when gojo domain manages to resist MS a little bit, he increases his output to win the domain clash
 
LIGHTYW said:
s a headcannon lol? In the entire series, in everytime someone uses d.a it wasnt stated that increases output,

Also, if does, why didnt gojo stated that on chap 224?? Where sukuna amplifies and overcomes his infinity, why didnt gojo said " whoa, d.a is increasing his output " right here?
And sukuna in chap 227 was using d.a since the beginning of domain clash, after gojo just uses domain, sukuna uses amplification and grabs his legs and even throw an elbow
If d.a increases output, Why and how didnt gojo perceived that right here?
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Right I forgot, everything needs to be stated for you JJK readers lmao.

LIGHTYW said:
Because it doesnt lol, its very simple and easy to connect that gojo said "his output is increasing" because earlier, sukuna was playing and not using 100% output, thats why gojo got the upperhand even withouth CT and no domain, because sukuna wasnt serious using low output, but when gojo domain manages to resist MS a little bit, he increases his output to win the domain clash
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Show us the connection.
 
 
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