Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

MHS jjk brainrot

 

[Woomica]

FTL BETTER

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Does awakened Yuji scale to Weakened Sukuna's Hypersonic?

Don't buy Arkenis words. He hates Yuji upscale pretty much. There are few arguments can be made for this

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Also don't they all get stronger during the Shinjuku arc? Because if so, then Toni scaling to Maki's Hypersonic is a bit iffy, since Toji is scaling off of a previous Maki.

IIRC there was a statement for Shinjuku Maki still being equal to Toji

Unless Maki didn't get stronger and I missed something

Maki didn't got statement for being stronger. Unlike others who has CE to increase their reinforcement.

But it's better to wait for Fanbook we might get more information on if she got stronger or not.

 

[LIGHTYW]

You're wrong. It is clearly talking about those movements being the reactions. I don't get what the issue is.


Yet that's what we see. Gojo has slower reactions/perception, you yourself are showing that by his late reaction. Meanwhile Gojo's reactions in the beginning were like this.

This sukuna was playing with Gojo and didnt even had 100% output bro, also, look at chapter 227, where sukuna actually gets serious and gojo says that sukunas output was increasing
Sukuna is able to somehow blitz gojos perception, giving MHS+ speed
Even if you dont agree, sukuna can have MHS speeds with his dismantle, on chapters 224, sukunas dismantle also blitz gojo

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

JJK problems ig

The problem here is people thinking Naoya and Naobita are the fastest characters to exists in the verse..

 

[Arkenis]

This sukuna was playing with Gojo and didnt even had 100% output bro, also, look at chapter 227, where sukuna actually gets serious and gojo says that sukunas output was increasing
Sukuna is able to somehow blitz gojos perception, giving MHS+ speed
Even if you dont agree, sukuna can have MHS speeds with his dismantle, on chapters 224, sukunas dismantle also blitz gojo

How do you know he was playing? Why was it increasing? Don't ignore the context lmao he's literally in domain and using DA of course his outputs increasing. Sukuna didn't blitz anything. And his dismantle didn't blitz either.

 

[M3X_2.0]

The problem here is people thinking Naoya and Naobita are the fastest characters to exists in the verse..

They pretty much cap everyone up until SS though.

 

[Gokukid2005]

Be a friend like Yuta was to Yuji:

• Taught him RCT
• Gave him the gauntlets
• Work together so Yuji can deal the soul damage attacks
• Come back to save him from Sukuna’s DE

He’s Yuji’s 5th brother

Yuta always been a real one when it comes to his loved ones

 

[Arkenis]

The problem here is people thinking Naoya and Naobita are the fastest characters to exists in the verse..

Because the story portrays it as such. Naobito is literally the fastest sorcerer behind Gojo and no one but Sukuna scales to Gojo. Naoya's Mach 3 is what pushes the threshold for that and then no one really has anything beyond.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

The problem here is people thinking Naoya and Naobita are the fastest characters to exists in the verse..

2nd fastest besides Gojo is a pretty nasty statement when Yuta was an active sorcerer at the time. Yuta is comparable to other special grade sorcerer tier fighters.

Shinjuku characters get off scot free though. Kinda.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Because the story portrays it as such. Naobito is literally the fastest sorcerer behind Gojo and no one but Sukuna scales to Gojo. Naoya's Mach 3 is what pushes the threshold for that and then no one really has anything beyond.

Naobito only has the reputation as the second fastest, and this doesn't account for Yuta and Hakari having been gone for months

And ofc this all goes out the window because all the people in question have better feats than Naobito or scale to better feats than him

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

They pretty much cap everyone up until SS though.

My dumbass sleep deprived self read that as “up until striking strength though”

 

[Arkenis]

Naobito only has the reputation as the second fastest, and this doesn't account for Yuta and Hakari having been gone for months

This is not acknowledged in the story nor are we meant to interpret it as such when Yuta and Hakari don't show anything impressive for speed besides that one speed feat which most don't accept.

And ofc this all goes out the window because all the people in question have better feats than Naobito or scale to better feats than him

Name these feats. And not calcs, the story showing us this.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This is not acknowledged in the story nor are we meant to interpret it as such when Yuta and Hakari don't show anything impressive for speed besides that one speed feat which most don't accept.


Name these feats. And not calcs, the story showing us this.

Fair point on the second one, but my point is that using Naobito being known in-universe to be the second fastest at surface level to cap the top tier characters that come in after is a slippery slope

 

[Arkenis]

Fair point on the second one, but my point is that using Naobito being known in-universe to be the second fastest at surface level to cap the top tier characters that come in after is a slippery slope

Cap the known sorcerers at least. People like past sorcerers is a different story and entirely up to their feats.

 

[Ped2018]

Gege is a TERRORIST

 

[M3X_2.0]

The thing about Naoya and Naobito is because they’re two dudes known to be fast because they have a speed-based Cursed Technique, so it’s kinda hard to not put them among the fastest.

Now one thing I don’t see yall talking about:

Naoya using basic Projection Sorcery blitz Yuji and Choso.

Naoya stacking Projection Sorcery surpasses Subsonic speeds.

Keyword: Stacking.

Normally, Naoya operates on Subsonic speeds and he blitzed Yuji and Choso. This puts a cap on everyone who was comparable to them.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Fair point on the second one, but my point is that using Naobito being known in-universe to be the second fastest at surface level to cap the top tier characters that come in after is a slippery slope

Preach

 

[Arkenis]

Preach

Dude you just want these characters to be faster because you think it, not cuz they are. Come back to reality, Gege showed Naoya blitzing Yuji and Choso in base speed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

2nd fastest besides Gojo is a pretty nasty statement when Yuta was an active sorcerer at the time. Yuta is comparable to other special grade sorcerer tier fighters.

Shinjuku characters get off scot free though. Kinda.

Technically my issue is this

Fair point on the second one, but my point is that using Naobito being known in-universe to be the second fastest at surface level to cap the top tier characters that come in after is a slippery slope

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Dude you just want these characters to be faster because you think it, not cuz they are. Come back to reality, Gege showed Naoya blitzing Yuji and Choso in base speed.

Funny thing I never once mentioned Yuji and Choso to be faster than Naoya or Naobita.

 

[Giannysmag]

The thing about Naoya and Naobito is because they’re two dudes known to be fast because they have a speed-based Cursed Technique, so it’s kinda hard to not put them among the fastest.

Now one thing I don’t see yall talking about:

Naoya using basic Projection Sorcery blitz Yuji and Choso.

Naoya stacking Projection Sorcery surpasses Subsonic speeds.

Keyword: Stacking.

Normally, Naoya operates on Subsonic speeds and he blitzed Yuji and Choso. This puts a cap on everyone who was comparable to them.

That's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance

Spoiler: Naoya blitz

Spoiler: Piercing blood

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'm pretty sure him reacting and raising his arms was calced at

wouldn't you know it

subsonic

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Arkenis stop bringing up irrelevant arguments. Choso and Yuji are not the only characters in the verse. Funny thing you act like Choso and Yuji would be Blizting Yuki and Kenjaku.

 

[Giannysmag]

I'm pretty sure him reacting and raising his arms was calced at

wouldn't you know it

subsonic

That's not my point. My point is that the Naoya blitz is inconsistent with what Gege himself has showed us since Yuji can react to a supersonic attack one moment (while off guard btw) but can't react to a subsonic guy the next.

It's not like Shibuya Yuji level characters have feats beyond mach 1 anyway but they shouldn't be gatekept out of say Subsonic+ because of Naoya

 

[M3X_2.0]

That's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance

Spoiler: Naoya blitz

Spoiler: Piercing blood

We’re not doing this again are we? Yuji is getting blitzed by both.

 

[Giannysmag]

We’re not doing this again are we? Yuji is getting blitzed by both.

In close range sure but he still reacted to PS from a distance

 

[Arkenis]

Arkenis stop bringing up irrelevant arguments. Choso and Yuji are not the only characters in the verse. Funny thing you act like Choso and Yuji would be Blizting Yuki and Kenjaku.

No I don't?

 

[M3X_2.0]

In close range sure but he still reacted to PS from a distance

Yuji says that dodging/blocking PB was a 50/50 thing, not something he can consistently do.

The only reason Piercing Blood got that close to him is because he couldn’t react before, because he was blitzed.

 

[M3X_2.0]

No I don't?

LMFAO this is so funny man you never said that

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance

Spoiler: Naoya blitz

Spoiler: Piercing blood

The funniest shit is Geto blocking bullets at a shorter distance than these

 

[Giannysmag]

Yuji says that dodging/blocking PB was a 50/50 thing, not something he can consistently do.

The only reason Piercing Blood got that close to him is because he couldn’t react before, because he was blitzed.

But he did react to it. He percieved it, raised up his hands and blocked it, which didn't happen with Naoya even tho they crossed a similair distance and PS is faster. That's why I call the Naoya blitz inconsistent

 

[Arkenis]

But he did react to it. He percieved it, raised up his hands and blocked it,

This? It's subsonic.

 

[M3X_2.0]

But he did react to it. He percieved it, raised up his hands and blocked it, which didn't happen with Naoya even tho they crossed a similair distance and PS is faster. That's why I call the Naoya blitz inconsistent

It wasn’t a greater distance, Naoya was close to them, he statued them both.

And why are you calling Naoya blitzing them inconsistent and not the other way around? Why should I consider Yuji reacting to PB consistent?

 

[Giannysmag]

This? It's subsonic.

That's not my point. My point is that the Naoya blitz is inconsistent with what Gege himself has showed us since Yuji can react to a supersonic attack one moment (while off guard btw) but can't react to a subsonic guy the next.

It's not like Shibuya Yuji level characters have feats beyond mach 1 anyway but they shouldn't be gatekept out of say Subsonic+ because of Naoya

It wasn’t a greater distance, Naoya was close to them, he statued them both.

Never said it was a greater distance and Naoya was infact not close to them

And why are you calling Naoya blitzing them inconsistent and not the other way around? Why should I consider Yuji reacting to PB consistent?

Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)

 

[M3X_2.0]

e and Naoya was infact not close to them

I’m talking about the next page where he goes closer to them.

Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)

He was blitzed by PB twice, it’s why he gets hit. This is why we have a rule for calcs like this. Yuji reacts to PB at close range because PB blitzes him.

And if we’re talking about consistency, then Choso Vs Naoya has more Naoya blitzing feats than PB reacting feats from Yuji.

 

[Arkenis]

Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)

That second reaction he literally gets cut across the face. It's a not a good reaction feat

 

[Arkenis]

Swear PB feats are the most blatant anti feats and you guys will find a way to interpret it to ridiculous levels.

 

[Giannysmag]

I’m talking about the next page where he goes closer to them.

This?

Cause I wouldn't call this statueing since both have visibly moved by the time Naoya is offscreen. They also both notice before he finishes moving since the panel after their reaction has a sound effect and an air puff on the ground, implying that's when Naoya stopped moving.
This is what I'd consider statueing

(read Sakamoto days btw)

He was blitzed by PB twice, it’s why he gets hit. This is why we have a rule for calcs like this. Yuji reacts to PB at close range because PB blitzes him.

That's confusing. Would that mean Yuji has higher combat speed than reaction speed? Since he can move his arms up in amuch shorter timeframe than he can percieve. Also on the second feat Yuji reacts late because he was suspended mid air

And if we’re talking about consistency, then Choso Vs Naoya has more Naoya blitzing feats than PB reacting feats from Yuji.

Fair on this

That second reaction he literally gets cut across the face. It's a not a good reaction feat

Still dodged which he didn't do with Naoya

Anyway Imma go take a shower