I mean is it really like that
Yeah all of that is about jujutsu sorcery, it isn't just about ce reinforcement strength is the point. We can all agree Sukuna and Gojo are better overall but the story makes it clear Gojo's strongest status comes from his ct, Sukuna's strongest status comes from his capabilities as a sorcerer is all. And we see this through all the praise they get for their knowledge and cursed technique skill.? I'm not looking at visuals here. (Calcs)
I'm looking at the established narrative that has Gojo beyond SG level, alongside Sukuna. Them being placed by the others on another level. And that one "narrator" calling gojo on a different level amongst SG.
Then there's the fact that a massively nerfed af Gojo and Sukuna being easily above the others just by their own admission and the likeFinger levels also play a role here.
no? Every time Gojo is in a major conflict his CT is being countered in some way where he has to rely on his other abilities, in which we're always told by the characters that Gojo isn't just a man with a good CT but also just a powerhouse in almost every other way.
fodder limitless+six eyes user
because blue uses hax to make every strike a critical hit
what I said before
As sorcerers, not AP
Not necessarily. That's her as a sorcerer being in the same level as Yuta, but her AP would punch through Gojo's skull.
This proves my point more. Every time he's in a fight, it's always about his ct, when he's fighting Jogo, Jogo points out he's not just using ce infused attacks, Blue's amping him. The beginning of the manga has Sukuna saying similar as well, Blue aids Gojo in speed and power tremendously. After Gojo trained, Getou deemed him the strongest, this wasn't based on ce reinforcement, its all ct. I'm already saying I agree Gojo is strong, but that is not what makes him the strongest.
AKA amping it's AP, which makes it still relevant to a discussion about AP. Even then, Gojo is shown to still be keeping up with Sukuna physically without blue, so the difference isn't that large.
How is she on the same level as Yuta if she'd just casually punch through Yuta's body like it's nothing, Rika too? What feats does she have to even suggest this?
You can say they go hand in hand Six Eyes makes the ct a lot easier to use
Amping its lethality by manipulating space to land a critical hit. The actual energy used and force is less
When does he physically keep up with Sukuna without blue?
Because Yuta would avoid this happening.
ACTUALLY it's stated in the fanbook that the six eyes make the limitless the strongest cursed technique
It's kinda the whole package that makes him the strongest
He didn't defeat Meguna? 10s is the very reason Sukuna won. And it rivals the limitless because of how versatile it is and because of Mahoraga. This has nothing to do with my original point. Gojo is a random limitless six eyes user, Sukuna says this pretty blatantly.
It doesn't if Gojo is still a high tier fighter and still considered the strongest sorcerer even when his CT is being cancelled out, how is his title of strongest ONLY about his CT?
This doesn't follow, Gojo could've also improved his reinforcement in that time, it's not like pre-RCT Gojo = current Gojo in stats.
You simply don't know what you're talking about. Blue attracts things into his fist so it feels like a counter punch, the same way when you're fighting you're supposed to roll with the punches you take to mitigate the shock and doing otherwise would **** you over. Nothing about this is negating AP for "lethality" (a false distinction also).
We've had this argument before, you know he was lmfao. Like when he kicked Sukuna and sent Sukuna flying backwards, TWICE.
So Yuta is relative to Yuki and yet Yuta can finish her off without ever being hit once or needing to ever block or wrestle with her? That's not relativity, your argument is incoherent.
Punching through Kenjaku's arms = punching through Gojo's body? Where's the connection here?
Read what I said again
Which is baseless, you just ignored what I said
I don't think they ever claimed it was JUST that. Also his CT isn't off completely, just weakened
His cursed technique was never off, just weakened.
It literally is. Gojo loses to the black hole, but beats Yuki before she uses it. The same way, Yuta beats Yuki, but wins before dying to her amped hits
She can amp it to the point it's using planetary masses, so she'd punch through Gojo, who is unequivocally consistetly tier 7, and nowhere close to tier 6, much less 5
This is the funny thing Yuta's cleave giving paper cuts to Sukuna. People were expecting this to do some serious damage
"Gojo CAN'T USE his cursed technique since his domain was destroyed" - does this sound like it was only 'weakened'?
You're not engaging with what I'm saying. If character A can beat B without ever being hit, blocking a hit, or wrestling with them in any way then such a huge speed advantage makes it so they're not comparable fighters - and such a speed advantage why fly in the face of Yuta being below Kenjaku if he could just evade everything.
Kenjaku's head survived a full power punch from her, so therefore Kenjaku has planetary durability? Kenjaku and Yuki are planetary fighters whilst Gojo and Sukuna are only town level?
He literally used red to destroy Sukuna’s
You’re presupposing it’s a speed advantage
He got sent flying away and it went through his arms
Idk what type of mental gymnastics you're doing but stop. Gojo lost to the 10s, it is the very reason Gojo lost. That's my whole point. If you wanna say "well actually Gojo lost to world slash", the reason Sukuna even got there was due to 10s. And this whole thing is about the Limitless being why he's the strongest, and how did he beat Mahoraga?
No you're slightly taking this out of context. The remark is meant to praise and raise Gojo to what no one ever recognized him as, that he is just Gojo Satoru, he's not the strongest. He's magnificent, in the fact that he's a good sorcerer, nothing more like Sukuna is.
When is he considered the strongest without his ct? Not cancelled out. Gojo can have super strength, be really fast and smart but all of that is overshadowed by the Limitless in jujutsu society.
So what if he could've improved, the fact remains Geto deems him the strongest after seeing how much he's progressed his Limitless usage
When are you referring to? After they were both brain damaged and had already spammed domains? And bruh why do you keep bringing up stuff not relevant to the discussion? I never said Gojo wasn't fast or strong, I'm saying those don't make him the strongest.
Nah he said it was close to it.
Where is it said she increased it to such a level? It's more so that she can increase it to such a density, not that she's always doing so, and knowing Kenjaku isn't some durability god, I don't see why she'd need to.
Did you read the fight? Gojo did that AFTER regenerating from his burnt out CT.
That scenario would be a speed advantage, yes.
If you punched someone in the head with planetary force, their head would explode or going flying off his shoulders, the fact it didn't and all he got was a bruise means his durability can withstand such force.
There's never ANY feats or implications of his stats being overshadowed by others, if anything the opposite with his scaling to Sukuna and Sukuna's current showings, and when Gojo was fighting without his CT he was still regarded as the strongest sorcerer alive and was glazed by his own opponent for his raw stats.
If you admit he could've improved his stats, you can't then say his title was ONLY about his CT. You're making a false deduction.
I'm referring to during the domain battles, and how is it irrelevant? You're saying Gojo lacks the best stat feats and I'm listing off his feats?
I'm working within Guac's own argument, he claimed Yuki would punch through Gojo because she has planetary punches whilst Gojo has town level durability, I'm demonstrating why that doesn't work via the inverse scaling of the series.
Not necessarily, no
She didn’t do this, that’s why. She didn’t hit him with her max force necessarily.
The feats do in fact show this
It does
Yeah and you know what that translates to?
Not necessarily. We have a instance where a limitless + six eyes user, died to a untamed Mahoraga.
nah it only makes it possible to use it. it is stated, that you can't use Limitless without six eyes. Completely impossible.
It was a tamed Mahoraga even, amped by a fellow strongest sorcerer in verse.
I never said he's lacking the best stat feats LMAO. My point is that all these feats don't matter, Six Eyes/Limitless is what makes him the strongest.
Ah okay, you think the "strongest" statements refer also to ce reinforcement so therefore Yuki's mass increase couldn't possibly be above Gojo. Gojo can be stronger in ce reinforcement compared to Yuki but Yuki is operating on a different metric here, she's hitting with virtual mass not ce reinforcement.
How?
She was bloodlusted and amped herself with a binding vow, how was it not her max force?
Show the feats then.
I'm literally listing off feats, how is my argument just "disbelief"? I'm aware a sorcerer can be superior without necessarily having better stats, I've never argued Gojo is stronger just because he's the best sorcerer, I'm saying his FEATS are better.
Then we miscommunicated, I assumed you were backing Guac's point of Gojo having worse feats than Yuki, Yuta, Hakari, and Kenjaku and only being significant due to his CT.
You says this a lot about Naoya, Choso, etc., why do you think someone being a certain age determines their potential? You realise different characters have different potential, right?
That was a tamed mahoraga, amped by Sukuna. And he lost to a binding vow sukuna. you think that's "10S > Gojo"?
Yeah it does? What can anybody in verse bar Sukuna do before gojo turns them into a blood mist without ct. that still isn't the strongest? bro what are you talking about.
And he's regarded as a "special grade sorcerer" on a different level amongst those special grade sorcerers. Which would also apply to the stats... because that's how you use your CE as a sorcerer.
Which is only up to a certain extent. He still has to improve on his own. It is literally the reason as to why he's far above that nameless limitless + six eyes user, and why his talent is seperate from the six eyes in the guidebook.
and gojo smokes the entire verse bar Sukuna without his ct. what part of it did you not get.
He’s losing to Yuta without his CT, NGL. A tag team of Yuta, Rika, Ryu, and Uro take him out.
every time you open your mouth it's just bullshit after bullshit
Gojo doesn’t have that big of a stat advantage on any of the 3 heavy hitters.
this is just debate baiting atp, get some actually interesting topics your downplay and KT-wannabe hot takes are getting dull
If that was true, then he wouldn't have had to fight Sukuna solo. Hell, Sukuna wouldn't be giving everyone the work right now, with mostly his base stats at a weakened level.
They’re cold takes lil bro. Me and KT still disagree on a lot, and it’s coincidence that he’s right. I don’t follow him out of motivated reasoning
This is because his jujutsu itself is far above, and he can’t use his peak skill without people getting in the way.
It’s still not that insane of an advantage. He’s not like over 100x stronger than them without his CT
What I mean by big stat advantage is something like him being star level while the heavy hitters are town level, but even then it doesn’t go beyond something like a 100x difference counting the cursed technique
