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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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You know what that means.
Arkenis
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Yeah I don't think its about speed at all. When gojo says marathon he's talking about lasting longer while Miguel would have more spirit in the fight, likely just perform better.
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Rare TCB flub apparently
Streets said John Werry was for once right
Line movement and point movement are actual concepts
EldemadeDityjon
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Not really TCB translation has different word but same meaning.
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I took a look for myself
John Werry's translations are too literal
"Supreme Martial Solution" lmao
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TCB received a lot of complaints for losing the literal, on point aspect of their translations. They adapt too much.
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"Funeral for the living" got lost in translation
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Tcb translation means Miguel will win initially but Gojo will beat him in the end
Other translations don't indicate this meaning afaik, they say Gojo is better in defense and Miguel is better in attacking
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he simply just resists,
allat punching he'll eat, like Kenny did. that's also how JJK powers work btw when interacting with sorcerers with Strong Reinforcement (Strong Cleave reference)
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Yeah, retroactively too
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no bro he is simply resisting that and feeling nothing but a tickle. u have no idea of the gap between the real god tiers (Sukuna and Gojo) vs the rest of the verse.
It's canon that Geto and Kenjaku underestimates Gojo's power . Even Kenjaku did. See Gojo being unsealed chapter.
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I mean what Gojo said might even apply to current Gojo
When his CT was off inside the domain
He was dodging Sukuna's attacks and blocking them (linear movement)
But he wasn't really that effective in attacking (point movement)
Also Ino said Sukuna was drowning Gojo with attacks iirc
Also I don't remember Gojo dealing damage to Sukuna without his CT, when Sukuna used DA he could block Gojo's punches easily which means his normal attacking force in punching isn't really that great
On the other hand Sukuna's punch sent Gojo flying
So you can easily say Sukuna's punching force/attacks are > Gojo
Miguel is also better than Gojo in this
Gojo stands at top in linear movement (defending and parrying)
When his CT was off inside the domain
He was dodging Sukuna's attacks and blocking them (linear movement)
But he wasn't really that effective in attacking (point movement)
Also Ino said Sukuna was drowning Gojo with attacks iirc
Also I don't remember Gojo dealing damage to Sukuna without his CT, when Sukuna used DA he could block Gojo's punches easily which means his normal attacking force in punching isn't really that great
On the other hand Sukuna's punch sent Gojo flying
So you can easily say Sukuna's punching force/attacks are > Gojo
Miguel is also better than Gojo in this
Gojo stands at top in linear movement (defending and parrying)
Arkenis
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There is no stated gap though. Just calcs and scaling for the most part.
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It’s not an AP gap like that, buddy
Geto definitely doesn’t know shit. How the **** was he gonna beat Gojo if Gojo had a domain like that, when he didn’t
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Yuta and Hakari said they can't even take one punch from a serious Gojo
Arkenis
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Not a stated gap. I'm just saying there's no real gap we can use to measure them in the story, just scaling and statements.
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When you say gap you mean multipliers or what?
Because I see that as a huge gap between them and Gojo
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Simply because he isn't at Gojo's level physically speaking.
tcb was wrong. Ima hit yall up with the translations
(read this post and scroll down to read more in it)
? I'm not looking at visuals here. (Calcs)
I'm looking at the established narrative that has Gojo beyond SG level, alongside Sukuna. Them being placed by the others on another level. And that one "narrator" calling gojo on a different level amongst SG.
Then there's the fact that a massively nerfed af Gojo and Sukuna being easily above the others just by their own admission and the like
Finger levels also play a role here.
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????? That was a gojo and Sukuna who are nerfed. Gojo took a heavier nerf tho. (There's a obvious difference even in chapter 230) His brain damage is directly situated at the CT part, unlike Sukuna's. No way you're arguing he's > Gojo in punches against a off guard Gojo even. (in that scene)
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What suggests this?
Yuta and Hakari can't even withstand a suppressed punch from Gojo, with Uraume (who's comparable to them stat wise) suffering massive internal damage she can't even RCT from via a random punch from a fatigued Gojo. Yuta and Hakari are also the same people who are talked of as relative to Yuki, suggesting that even whilst she may have an edge in AP it's not going to be a one-shot level gap (otherwise they wouldn't even be in the same conversation as her).
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Speaking about this, the brain damaged parts or whatever is just stupid
Gojo says the damage Sukuna took was on the area responsible for barrier techniques, which made using domain not possible, that doesn't explain how Sukuna could use HWB which is a barrier technique (It might also indicate that even his HWB was nerfed, but still had enough output to match Yuta's domain output which is a big L for Yuta's side lmfao)
Gojo says the damage Sukuna took was on the area responsible for barrier techniques, which made using domain not possible, that doesn't explain how Sukuna could use HWB which is a barrier technique (It might also indicate that even his HWB was nerfed, but still had enough output to match Yuta's domain output which is a big L for Yuta's side lmfao)
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I mean is it really like that
Gojo mightve suffered more because his CE is lower than Sukuna's which made Sukuna endure that damage better than Gojo who fell on his knees
Also I was just making a theory there to explain Miguel's statement
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Yeah all of that is about jujutsu sorcery, it isn't just about ce reinforcement strength is the point. We can all agree Sukuna and Gojo are better overall but the story makes it clear Gojo's strongest status comes from his ct, Sukuna's strongest status comes from his capabilities as a sorcerer is all. And we see this through all the praise they get for their knowledge and cursed technique skill.? I'm not looking at visuals here. (Calcs)
I'm looking at the established narrative that has Gojo beyond SG level, alongside Sukuna. Them being placed by the others on another level. And that one "narrator" calling gojo on a different level amongst SG.
Then there's the fact that a massively nerfed af Gojo and Sukuna being easily above the others just by their own admission and the like
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no? Every time Gojo is in a major conflict his CT is being countered in some way where he has to rely on his other abilities, in which we're always told by the characters that Gojo isn't just a man with a good CT but also just a powerhouse in almost every other way.
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fodder limitless+six eyes user
Gojo was abou to one shot mahomid but fraudkuna had to keep him alive for as long as possible
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because blue uses hax to make every strike a critical hit
what I said before
As sorcerers, not AP
Not necessarily. That's her as a sorcerer being in the same level as Yuta, but her AP would punch through Gojo's skull.
Also all of Gojo and Sukuna's feats suggest they're tier 7, while Yuki has 5-A scaling
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This proves my point more. Every time he's in a fight, it's always about his ct, when he's fighting Jogo, Jogo points out he's not just using ce infused attacks, Blue's amping him. The beginning of the manga has Sukuna saying similar as well, Blue aids Gojo in speed and power tremendously. After Gojo trained, Getou deemed him the strongest, this wasn't based on ce reinforcement, its all ct. I'm already saying I agree Gojo is strong, but that is not what makes him the strongest.
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AKA amping it's AP, which makes it still relevant to a discussion about AP. Even then, Gojo is shown to still be keeping up with Sukuna physically without blue, so the difference isn't that large.
How is she on the same level as Yuta if she'd just casually punch through Yuta's body like it's nothing, Rika too? What feats does she have to even suggest this?
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You can say they go hand in hand Six Eyes makes the ct a lot easier to use
Guacamolefletcher
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Amping its lethality by manipulating space to land a critical hit. The actual energy used and force is less
When does he physically keep up with Sukuna without blue?
Because Yuta would avoid this happening.
It's why as sorcerers, this scaling chain exists:
Kenjaku >>> Yuta >~ Yuki
When Yuki can punch through Kenjaku and use the second highest AP in the verse. She'd punch through Gojo if he didn't use the limitless to avoid such thing
ACTUALLY it's stated in the fanbook that the six eyes make the limitless the strongest cursed technique
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It's kinda the whole package that makes him the strongest
If he's just a random limitless six eyes user he wouldn't have been the strongest
He said 10 shadows rival the limitless, Mahoraga killed a limitless six eyes user
Yet he defeated the strongest 10S user of all times (Meguna)
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It doesn't if Gojo is still a high tier fighter and still considered the strongest sorcerer even when his CT is being cancelled out, how is his title of strongest ONLY about his CT?
This doesn't follow, Gojo could've also improved his reinforcement in that time, it's not like pre-RCT Gojo = current Gojo in stats.
Btw, you used a quote of Jogo complimenting his CT but failed to point out how, in a fight where Gojo lacked blue, he also said:
"He's this strong even though he's only using cursed energy manipulation and physical attacks?! Satoru Gojo... is there anything you don't have?!" - Jogo
Not to mention how Gojo, even when his blue was cancelled out via CT burn out, would still be keeping up with Sukuna and overpowering him with strikes.
You simply don't know what you're talking about. Blue attracts things into his fist so it feels like a counter punch, the same way when you're fighting you're supposed to roll with the punches you take to mitigate the shock and doing otherwise would **** you over. Nothing about this is negating AP for "lethality" (a false distinction also).
We've had this argument before, you know he was lmfao. Like when he kicked Sukuna and sent Sukuna flying backwards, TWICE.
So Yuta is relative to Yuki and yet Yuta can finish her off without ever being hit once or needing to ever block or wrestle with her? That's not relativity, your argument is incoherent.
Punching through Kenjaku's arms = punching through Gojo's body? Where's the connection here?
