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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
Sukuna didn't even got humiliated 😭
Next panel he was just laughing it off.
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Laughing it off = holy ******* shit he just used my shit on me
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YukaSama4 said:
I changed that shortly after
I said he's the strongest because of the whole package not just his CT and six eyes
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Oh okay.


Btw I gotta ask all of yall something. As I'm curious to what others think. Do yall think Gojo manifesting infinity into reality prove that infinity is a concept. or no?

Here's the scan in question:
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GJ:”Infinity’s something that’s naturally here. I just bring it into reality”

⇒ “Infinity is something that’s essentially present everywhere. My technique just brings it into reality.” (Correct TL)

Source of Translation ->

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Lightning's TL:
"Infinity exists by nature. My Jujutsu simply brings it to reality.

Convergence. Divergence. What d'you think will happen if you touched this Void?" (this is from the cut off part but you can ignore it)
Lightning note: "本来至る所 = exists naturally, by its nature, is there intrinsically. They all mean the same thing, just slightly different semantics"

These are the main scans used. Of course, then there is the one from volume 0 book or whatever.

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Translation:
``
"Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."
``

What are yall thoughts
 
M3X_2.0 said:
There is not a reason to believe his output sucks. You get jumped because this idea is dumb as shit.

Yall interpret things wrongly and act like that's a fact for the manga. Dude matched the "highest output in history" guy.
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His output doesn't suck. His CE control does tho. Only reason he matched with Ryu is due to his abnormally high reserves that compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level. If it was Ryu's level, Ryu is a instant goner.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Oh okay.


Btw I gotta ask all of yall something. As I'm curious to what others think. Do yall think Gojo manifesting infinity into reality prove that infinity is a concept. or no?

Here's the scan in question:
71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png


GJ:”Infinity’s something that’s naturally here. I just bring it into reality”

⇒ “Infinity is something that’s essentially present everywhere. My technique just brings it into reality.” (Correct TL)

Source of Translation ->

71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png

Lightning's TL:
"Infinity exists by nature. My Jujutsu simply brings it to reality.

Convergence. Divergence. What d'you think will happen if you touched this Void?" (this is from the cut off part but you can ignore it)
Lightning note: "本来至る所 = exists naturally, by its nature, is there intrinsically. They all mean the same thing, just slightly different semantics"

These are the main scans used. Of course, then there is the one from volume 0 book or whatever.

2APRkzR-2.png


Translation:
``
"Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."
``

What are yall thoughts
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Infinity used to be accepted as a type 2 concept. It's kinda vague and there's nothing that's solid so don't count on it
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Oh okay.


Btw I gotta ask all of yall something. As I'm curious to what others think. Do yall think Gojo manifesting infinity into reality prove that infinity is a concept. or no?

Here's the scan in question:
71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png


GJ:”Infinity’s something that’s naturally here. I just bring it into reality”

⇒ “Infinity is something that’s essentially present everywhere. My technique just brings it into reality.” (Correct TL)

Source of Translation ->

71de2a33b52ecb042b49a89bf76841c7c92b4d2e.png

Lightning's TL:
"Infinity exists by nature. My Jujutsu simply brings it to reality.

Convergence. Divergence. What d'you think will happen if you touched this Void?" (this is from the cut off part but you can ignore it)
Lightning note: "本来至る所 = exists naturally, by its nature, is there intrinsically. They all mean the same thing, just slightly different semantics"

These are the main scans used. Of course, then there is the one from volume 0 book or whatever.

2APRkzR-2.png


Translation:
``
"Limitless Jujutsu"

Miguel had it explained beforehand by Geto. It's literally a technique that materializes the concept of infinity. It is a hereditary technique that establishes Gojou Satoru as the strongest.

Precisely because it possesses unprecedented destructive power, meticulous manipulation of cursed energy at the atomic level is required to control it. The burden of calculating to the extent of controlling spacetime is unavoidable; if handled properly, the brain will inevitably burn out."
``

What are yall thoughts
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Makes sense because the fanbook says it’s the strongest cursed technique, knowing about the TS and shrine
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
the JJK0 Gojo is weak meta makes no sense
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No one calls Vol0 Gojo weak, the issue is there's simply no evidence that he's stagnated in power to upscale vol0 characters such as Miguel. We know after Gojo awakened he went on to continue training and getting stronger so there's no reason to assume he stopped specifically after vol0 (we even see him training Megumi and are told he'll often train with his students personally), we know he never stopped taking missions (some of which he lands black flashes during) which sorcerers get stronger from, we know he has insane potential to grow exponentially, and we know he never reached his limit because even his CT has room to grow (unlimited hollow was the first time he ever reinterpreted his CT to do so and it had room for improvement, not to mention the potential for a limitless maximum technique). So with all this in mind, there's just no basis to say vol0 Gojo = current Gojo, we should scale them off of their own feats.
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
His output doesn't suck. His CE control does tho. Only reason he matched with Ryu is due to his abnormally high reserves that compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level. If it was Ryu's level, Ryu is an instant goner.
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His control over explicitly cannot suck, considering he can amp his weapons alongside his body with his monstrous CE and not have it break, which was the issue he had in Vol 0. He couldn’t input enough against Geto’s curse, and he input too much against Geto himself.

Ryu just had higher output, I don’t know why that’s such a contested topic.
 
Rosa said:
No one calls Vol0 Gojo weak, the issue is there's simply no evidence that he's stagnated in power to upscale vol0 characters such as Miguel. We know after Gojo awakened he went on to continue training and getting stronger so there's no reason to assume he stopped specifically after vol0 (we even see him training Megumi and are told he'll often train with his students personally), we know he never stopped taking missions (some of which he lands black flashes during) which sorcerers get stronger from, we know he has insane potential to grow exponentially, and we know he never reached his limit because even his CT has room to grow (unlimited hollow was the first time he ever reinterpreted his CT to do so and it had room for improvement, not to mention the potential for a limitless maximum technique). So with all this in mind, there's just no basis to say vol0 Gojo = current Gojo, we should scale them off of their own feats.
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Ok now let’s consider what is constant between now and JJK0:
  • Hakari still considered JJK0 Gojo unbeatable despite only last meeting him one year later, and he’s stronger than Sendai Yuta at his peak
  • He still has all the same titles, and his reputation wasn’t built in a year, so he should still be the fastest sorcerer alive and faster than Naobito. This means JJK0 Gojo is at least supersonic via being faster than Naobito

So we get to a Gojo that tiers basically the same as the current Gojo, and barely any difference anyways. So why take it as this, then? Knowing JJK0 Gojo is supersonic, we can know he’d still be relevant vs Sukuna and knowing Maki caps at Toji level, he’d be an insane asset vs Current Sukuna
 
Rosa said:
No one calls Vol0 Gojo weak, the issue is there's simply no evidence that he's stagnated in power to upscale vol0 characters such as Miguel. We know after Gojo awakened he went on to continue training and getting stronger so there's no reason to assume he stopped specifically after vol0 (we even see him training Megumi and are told he'll often train with his students personally), we know he never stopped taking missions (some of which he lands black flashes during) which sorcerers get stronger from, we know he has insane potential to grow exponentially, and we know he never reached his limit because even his CT has room to grow (unlimited hollow was the first time he ever reinterpreted his CT to do so and it had room for improvement, not to mention the potential for a limitless maximum technique). So with all this in mind, there's just no basis to say vol0 Gojo = current Gojo, we should scale them off of their own feats.
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Preach 🗣️🗣️🗣️
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Ok now let’s consider what is constant between now and JJK0:
  • Hakari still considered JJK0 Gojo unbeatable despite only last meeting him one year later, and he’s stronger than Sendai Yuta at his peak
  • He still has all the same titles, and his reputation wasn’t built in a year, so he should still be the fastest sorcerer alive and faster than Naobito. This means JJK0 Gojo is at least supersonic via being faster than Naobito

So we get to a Gojo that tiers basically the same as the current Gojo, and barely any difference anyways. So why take it as this, then? Knowing JJK0 Gojo is supersonic, we can know he’d still be relevant vs Sukuna and knowing Maki caps at Toji level, he’d be an insane asset vs Current Sukuna
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Your logic here doesn't follow; you're asserting because both vol0 Gojo and current Gojo are above Hakari and Naobito they therefore must be "in the same tier" but in the same way saiyan saga Vegeta and current Vegeta are above Raditz that doesn't put them in the same tier.
 
Also something important is not scaling people like Geto to volume 0 Gojo or Rika to Volume 0 Gojo because it’s all erroneous logic, and he’s still far above everyone even in JJK0
 
Why do people want to make Yuta’s CE mastery inferior to what it really is?

“Oh his output sucks” when it was never stated to suck, it was never implied to suck and never shown to suck. “Oh but his Cleave didn’t do anything to Sukuna” yes because it’s ******* Sukuna.

“Oh his CE control sucks” when it was never stated to suck, it was never implied to suck and never shown to suck.

Y’all naturally have bad interpretation and reading comprehension, and when yall decide to take these interpretations as canon, that’s what happen.

“Hey look based on my shitty conclusions I made, we can conclude that Yuta’s CE output and control suck, even though the manga never acknowledges any of this and this is all from our head”
 
Rosa said:
Your logic here doesn't follow; you're asserting because both vol0 Gojo and current Gojo are above Hakari and Naobito they therefore must be "in the same tier" but in the same way saiyan saga Vegeta and current Vegeta are above Raditz that doesn't put them in the same tier.
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It does because we know from Sukuna that supersonic speeds are relevant to Satoru in the Shinjuku Showdown, given he uses supersonic (Mach 1-5 speeds) to attack Satoru there
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Also something important is not scaling people like Geto to volume 0 Gojo or Rika to Volume 0 Gojo because it’s all erroneous logic, and he’s still far above everyone even in JJK0
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There's an argument to be had about Rika's binding vow blast being superior to vol0 Gojo AP wise given Geto believed it to surpass CE itself despite being aware of Gojo's hollow purple, however this would have some inverse implications such as vol0 Gojo not just being weaker than current Gojo but also explicitly power cliffed due to Kenjaku's scaling later on which I'm really NOT sold on.
Guacamolefletcher said:
It does because we know from Sukuna that supersonic speeds are relevant to Satoru in the Shinjuku Showdown, given he uses supersonic (Mach 1-5 speeds) to attack Satoru there
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Honestly you might just be a lost cause, I think it's insane that you've constructed all of these headcanon positions like "PB must ALWAYS be capped at the speed of sound due to Shibuya Choso's PB being stated faster than sound" and then you retroactively try to scale the inverse series that way - requiring you to posit additional headcanons to make it work, until eventually in order to even engage in conversation with you on these topics I need to first trail this long web of positions which are just never stated in the series at all. Like it's a huge red flag that you can't even engage in a conversation as simple as this without shoehorning in your "JJK caps at around PB speed" meta as your sole foundation and basis, it's fundamentally just agenda scaling where you can ONLY see JJK through your agenda.
 
Rosa said:
There's an argument to be had about Rika's binding vow blast being superior to vol0 Gojo AP wise given Geto believed it to surpass CE itself despite being aware of Gojo's hollow purple, however this would have some inverse implications such as vol0 Gojo not just being weaker than current Gojo but also explicitly power cliffed due to Kenjaku's scaling later on which I'm really NOT sold on.

Honestly you might just be a lost cause, I think it's insane that you've constructed all of these headcanon positions like "PB must ALWAYS be capped at the speed of sound due to Shibuya Choso's PB being stated faster than sound" and then you retroactively try to scale the inverse series that way - requiring you to posit additional headcanons to make it work, until eventually in order to even engage in conversation with you on these topics I need to first trail this long web of positions which are just never stated in the series at all. Like it's a huge red flag that you can't even engage in a conversation as simple as this without shoehorning in your "JJK caps at around PB speed" meta as your sole foundation and basis, it's fundamentally just agenda scaling where you can ONLY see JJK through your agenda.
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Funny thing, the biggest headcanon people use here to downplay speed for Sukuna and Gojo is "Sukuna used PW because he thought it could blitz Gojo." I don't know how they came to this headcanon when it was never stated that Sukuna used that because of speed; the only time he used it against Gojo was because he wanted to make a surprise attack. The second time, he wanted to reach the red, which was far away, so he used it as a long-distance attack(also Mid air)
 
Duedate8898 said:
It doesn't have to a big difference like 100X to be a big stat advantage. It's something that's easy to take for granted within the debate community, but even being only 2x greater can be a real problem. Like everyone fighting Sukuna right now, they can hurt him. But he's still able to easily outspeed and essentially one-shot all of them even at this level. Like he straight up would've killed Choso if he didn't have some form of RCT or someone to heal him offscreen with just his hands. And Gojo could block and tank strikes from a stronger Sukuna even without Infinity. Sukuna avoids PB like its a snail and he eats punches from Rika, Yuta, and Yuji like they're just sparring, all while getting weaker.

No matter how big the stat advantage is, Gojo clearly would bully everyone fighting Sukuna right now, even without using Blue or Red. Because weakened Sukuna isn't putting anywhere close to the same amount of work that peak sukuna nor Gojo can do
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Tbf Yuta was actually doing some damage
 
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