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2nd fastest besides Gojo is a pretty nasty statement when Yuta was an active sorcerer at the time. Yuta is comparable to other special grade sorcerer tier fighters.
Shinjuku characters get off scot free though. Kinda.
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Shinjuku characters get off scot free though. Kinda.
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Naobito only has the reputation as the second fastest, and this doesn't account for Yuta and Hakari having been gone for months
And ofc this all goes out the window because all the people in question have better feats than Naobito or scale to better feats than him
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My dumbass sleep deprived self read that as “up until striking strength though”
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This is not acknowledged in the story nor are we meant to interpret it as such when Yuta and Hakari don't show anything impressive for speed besides that one speed feat which most don't accept.
Name these feats. And not calcs, the story showing us this.
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Fair point on the second one, but my point is that using Naobito being known in-universe to be the second fastest at surface level to cap the top tier characters that come in after is a slippery slope
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Cap the known sorcerers at least. People like past sorcerers is a different story and entirely up to their feats.
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The thing about Naoya and Naobito is because they’re two dudes known to be fast because they have a speed-based Cursed Technique, so it’s kinda hard to not put them among the fastest.
Now one thing I don’t see yall talking about:
Naoya using basic Projection Sorcery blitz Yuji and Choso.
Naoya stacking Projection Sorcery surpasses Subsonic speeds.
Keyword: Stacking.
Normally, Naoya operates on Subsonic speeds and he blitzed Yuji and Choso. This puts a cap on everyone who was comparable to them.
Now one thing I don’t see yall talking about:
Naoya using basic Projection Sorcery blitz Yuji and Choso.
Naoya stacking Projection Sorcery surpasses Subsonic speeds.
Keyword: Stacking.
Normally, Naoya operates on Subsonic speeds and he blitzed Yuji and Choso. This puts a cap on everyone who was comparable to them.
EldemadeDityjon
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Preach
Arkenis
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Dude you just want these characters to be faster because you think it, not cuz they are. Come back to reality, Gege showed Naoya blitzing Yuji and Choso in base speed.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Funny thing I never once mentioned Yuji and Choso to be faster than Naoya or Naobita.
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That's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance
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I'm pretty sure him reacting and raising his arms was calced at
wouldn't you know it
subsonic
wouldn't you know it
subsonic
EldemadeDityjon
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Arkenis stop bringing up irrelevant arguments. Choso and Yuji are not the only characters in the verse. Funny thing you act like Choso and Yuji would be Blizting Yuki and Kenjaku.
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That's not my point. My point is that the Naoya blitz is inconsistent with what Gege himself has showed us since Yuji can react to a supersonic attack one moment (while off guard btw) but can't react to a subsonic guy the next.
It's not like Shibuya Yuji level characters have feats beyond mach 1 anyway but they shouldn't be gatekept out of say Subsonic+ because of Naoya
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We’re not doing this again are we? Yuji is getting blitzed by both.That's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance
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In close range sure but he still reacted to PS from a distance
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No I don't?
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Yuji says that dodging/blocking PB was a 50/50 thing, not something he can consistently do.
The only reason Piercing Blood got that close to him is because he couldn’t react before, because he was blitzed.
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The funniest shit is Geto blocking bullets at a shorter distance than theseThat's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance
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But he did react to it. He percieved it, raised up his hands and blocked it, which didn't happen with Naoya even tho they crossed a similair distance and PS is faster. That's why I call the Naoya blitz inconsistent
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It wasn’t a greater distance, Naoya was close to them, he statued them both.
And why are you calling Naoya blitzing them inconsistent and not the other way around? Why should I consider Yuji reacting to PB consistent?
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This? It's subsonic.
Never said it was a greater distance and Naoya was infact not close to them
Because he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)
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I’m talking about the next page where he goes closer to them.
He was blitzed by PB twice, it’s why he gets hit. This is why we have a rule for calcs like this. Yuji reacts to PB at close range because PB blitzes him.
And if we’re talking about consistency, then Choso Vs Naoya has more Naoya blitzing feats than PB reacting feats from Yuji.
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That second reaction he literally gets cut across the face. It's a not a good reaction feat
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This?
Cause I wouldn't call this statueing since both have visibly moved by the time Naoya is offscreen. They also both notice before he finishes moving since the panel after their reaction has a sound effect and an air puff on the ground, implying that's when Naoya stopped moving.
This is what I'd consider statueing
(read Sakamoto days btw)
That's confusing. Would that mean Yuji has higher combat speed than reaction speed? Since he can move his arms up in amuch shorter timeframe than he can percieve. Also on the second feat Yuji reacts late because he was suspended mid air
Fair on this
Still dodged which he didn't do with Naoya
Anyway Imma go take a shower
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People have got to stop giving Noabito so much flack when it's actually Naoya who handicapped JJK's speed. Naoya was the guy who casually blitzed Yuji and Choso right before Yuta got into a fight with Yuji where he complimented Yuji's speed and had to use Rika to hold him in place only for it to turn out Naoya doesn't surpass subsonic speed until he starts using Projection Sorcery over an extended period to hit top speed and is capable of running laps around Heavenly Restricted Maki who had Toji's stats and that it took Curse Naoya using a combination of a Binding Vow and jet streams to hit Mach 3
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Greatest Naobito defender
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Wrong, Yuji raised his block before Piercing Blood got firedThat's kinda inconsistent tbh, considering Yuji could react to and block the supersonic PS from a relatively similar distance
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I used to hype up this feat until KingTempest pointed out that there's a long cut across Yuji's face meaning Piercing Blood's tip was still in contact with his face throughout the dodge feat which makes this way less impressive, not to mention the whole reason Yuji jumped in this scene was to determine the timing of Choso firing Piercing Blood and Yuji himself admits it would've been a 50/50 chance of avoiding it, the whole scene is framed as a damn near miss and some luck on Yuji's partBecause he reacted to PS twice (albeit with a difficulty, tho he was also injured at that point)
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One of my posts mostly regarding Naoya and Naobito's "speed capping" from another JJK thread
W/the context we have here, I don't really get why Naobito and Naoya would be speed ceilings for the verse. I find the narrator's statement on Naobito's status as the fastest as a bit vague if you think about it and leaves room for exceptions (I know it's Gojo but still).
All of Naobito's feats we've seen are performed when he's inebriated and at retirement age, if I'm being frank. I imagine he'd have much higher speed when he was younger and sober. The note of his strategic framing and timing can imply that Naobito's status comes less from raw speed but how he was able to utilize it and his technique w/such efficient capabilities. Not to mention, he can temporarily freeze an opponent under the right conditions. For the "known as" part, do we have anything to confirm that's some kind of official evaluation and it takes every sorcerer into account, including the special grades? Or the students/others that Gojo is confident in being able to redefine what Special Grades are capable of and/or have the potential to equal, if not, surpass him?
I don't have much to say about Naoya other than he's such an egotistical, narcissistic ###### to think that he can be on par w/TOJI and GOJO! (I think I get a tiny aneurism every time I remember him genuinely believing that) And he got dodged by Maki when she just awakened her new HR capabilities and then there's a month and-a-half timeskip of training for the cast to take into account.
Hope this makes sense! Peace and Blessings
W/the context we have here, I don't really get why Naobito and Naoya would be speed ceilings for the verse. I find the narrator's statement on Naobito's status as the fastest as a bit vague if you think about it and leaves room for exceptions (I know it's Gojo but still).
All of Naobito's feats we've seen are performed when he's inebriated and at retirement age, if I'm being frank. I imagine he'd have much higher speed when he was younger and sober. The note of his strategic framing and timing can imply that Naobito's status comes less from raw speed but how he was able to utilize it and his technique w/such efficient capabilities. Not to mention, he can temporarily freeze an opponent under the right conditions. For the "known as" part, do we have anything to confirm that's some kind of official evaluation and it takes every sorcerer into account, including the special grades? Or the students/others that Gojo is confident in being able to redefine what Special Grades are capable of and/or have the potential to equal, if not, surpass him?
I don't have much to say about Naoya other than he's such an egotistical, narcissistic ###### to think that he can be on par w/TOJI and GOJO! (I think I get a tiny aneurism every time I remember him genuinely believing that) And he got dodged by Maki when she just awakened her new HR capabilities and then there's a month and-a-half timeskip of training for the cast to take into account.
Hope this makes sense! Peace and Blessings
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We already agreed that Naobito doesn't act as a cap for the top tier characters lmao
The discussion was about how the interactions with Naobito and Naoya cap the characters below the top tiers
The discussion was about how the interactions with Naobito and Naoya cap the characters below the top tiers
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Jjk is not even wall level. Destroying a wall is stated to be impossible.
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