So about 8-B like to like I expected.
But here is the thing he actually doesn't hold unlimited energy at a time. He just has practically unlimited stamina. That is a big different. Of course his base energy is still really high.
I really have a different view on their level of power to you guys.
Most will get an upgrade, but it will have some speed downgrades on the verse
After the speed downgrade most characters will be like Supersonic right?
I am not so sure about that. If you are saying that 6-C calc should somehow scale you better have a better reason than your current domain scaling. Though even the domain calcs needs downgrading and the the meteor calc too.
8-A is more likely as in the panel it looked like the buildings were shaking/vibrating
Speaking of the meteor I wonder how much it yields using magnitude 4
I would have to see the panel myself but 8-A, 8-B don't really care either way.
Reread the series. Don't limit the characters to just feats I guess.
I literally read the whole series recently. And what do you mean dont limit the characters to just feats, feats is how you get scaling in the first place. I guess this is why I have a different sense of the level of power they are at if you arent using feats...
Well it just seems that you only take the feats and not the narrative into account. Like Sukuna being able to be hurt by any of the disaster curses isn't very accurate with the narrative that's portrayed, or the fact that you think because someone didn't do something means they can't.
So will characters still be tier 7 or nah?
Wait wasnt this feat from Hanami collapsing a bunch of stuff or am I forgetting something.
Here it is
To me it looks and matches 4 perfectly.
I am taking the feats and statements into account I am not sure what you mean by narrative, that would be like saying that we should put Saitama at tier 2 cause obviously he should be the strongest thing in the verse because he is the one punch man after all.
How is it not portrayed based on anything I said. Just because a curse going all out can hurt him doesnt change the narratiev of him being the strongest curse based on a whole bunch of other stuff like speed and especially his abilities which makes his ridiculously strong. And his physicals can still scale far above any curse regardless. Sorry but this is vsbw, feats > statements >>>>> narrative.
Someone would need a feat or statement as any sort of proof they can do something. I am not denying any feat or statement in the verse.
Well I think the top - god tiers could be tier 7. It depends on how we end up scaling some thing after recalculations.
I think only Kenjaku, Yuta and Gojo.
A magnitude 4 is not capable of shaking buildings so massively
| 5 Lower | Many people are frightened and feel the need to hold onto something stable. | Hanging objects such as lamps swing violently. Dishes in cupboards and items on bookshelves may fall. Many unstable ornaments fall. Unsecured furniture may move, and unstable furniture may topple over. | In some cases, windows may break and fall. People notice electricity poles moving. Roads may sustain damage. |
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Yes I read the entire thing, we have no proof of:
| Seismic intensity | Reinforced-concrete buildings | |
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| 5 Upper | - | Cracks may form in walls, crossbeams and pillars. |
I'm talking about what's portrayed for the characters power in the narrative. Saitama isn't presented as a tier 2 character so he isn't.
Ok um maybe we got a different understanding of "strongest curse" but Sukuna's portrayal of being the strongest curse is not in any form based solely on his abilities, right now Sukuna's raw power is the majority of what makes him such a powerful curse, take his fingers for example, they are sought after by other curse due to the amount of power they hold within them, they can not be destroyed by Gojo the strongest sorcerer, his fingers are always growing stronger, and his power is feared by all curses. Now of course his abilities are really good but I don't remember it being implied that Sukuna's considered strong because he can cut things or because he's really fast.
Alright, explain how they are High 7-A, or 6-C via narrative.
I know he it is not solely via abilities he also has physical feats to prove he is physically the strongest curse and I have never denied that.
And yet Gojo thinks that at full power he could defeat Sukuna despite being unable to destroy the fingers leads me to believe that the destruction of the fingers is more to do with some kind of hax that pure durability. After all he was defeated in the past.
He is considered the strongest for multiple reasons all combined into one. That still doesnt mean he should be capable of tanking every attack without proof of it especially if said attack seems to be far above any feat he has shown.
If I was handwaving it I would not have a long answer and would do exactly that, hand wave it. Dont try to say I am handwaving something when that is less than a tenth of my reply.
This proves nothing.
Final Pages of chapter 128
But it shows that Upper Magnitude 5 earthquakes (5.5 and up) don’t affect well built earthquake resistant buildings
I know you read when I said "don't limit the characters to just feats". So I'm ignoring this.
Overall he is the strongest curse, in every aspect he is better, he dominates their abilities with his physicals alone, similar to what Gojo did to the trial meteor.
Him thinking that does not mean he can win based off ap alone. You and me both know Gojo being the strongest sorcerer is haxed based and his manipulation of curse energy. Also Gojo likely says that not because he thinks he can beat him but because he wants to give Yuji a sense of assurance that even if Yuji fails in his mission to stop Sukuna, Gojo will do it. Sukuna wasn't "defeated" he died from unknown circumstances as far as we know, unless the fanbook says something else which if it does pls send.
Once again, you can not say he's the strongest due to his abilities, where is that implied that he's considered strongest because of his cutting abilities and domain and poison resistance and etc?
Dude you said "this is vsbw feats>statements>>>>>>>narrative. Seems a bit handwavey when you could've said why you yourself think that, not use the website to justify yourself.
Oh nice, yea he's definitely shaking it, I'd say at least a block is being shook from it.
Sorry... But, what? The poles/buildings are clearly moved in the scene and just weren't harmed because of the reinforcement. A building with reinforcement does not gain damage of a magnitude 5
what was the result for the body repel mahito did?
And I explained that feats are the main way we scale characters so you can ignore it but it doesnt change anything.
In every aspect he is better yes, it doesnt mean he can tank everything they can throw at him. He hasnt dominated every ability with physicals alone unless you have a feat or statement for that.
I never said he does win via ap alone, yet he still hasnt been able to destroy any of the fingers even with said abilities. So we can agree on Gojo's strength being hax based at least we are going somewhere.
You are just saying that there is no proof of this. As far as I know Gojo doesnt lie to anyone. Doesnt mean he couldnt be wrong but he is confident that he could beat a full power sukuna and nothing says otherwise so far. Sukuna who could here him did not deny it either. Else he would have outright stated that Gojo was wrong to cause Itadori even more despair.
Good point, I do remember it being said he was defeated somehow but maybe I was wrong, doesnt change my core points though.
How does that stop it from being hax, power relates to hax too.
Literally all we have is that he is the most powerful curse. Which can be due to a myriad of things and a combination of all of them. It doesnt say he is the physically strongest curse. Or that no one can damage him in any way. Or anything like that and he even admits that he can be damaged (though yes he was not at full power).
Yes I said that as a part of a big argument. I also said why I myself think that, not quite sure what you are trying to say with this. I have explained multiple times in this thread why I think people scale the way I think they do. This quote also applies to how I view fictional chars and their powers in general. In fact I was wrong saying this is vsbw. This is how things are done in general and I agree with it.
You know that with the fight directly below them, that the buildings above would have to shake a bit right? All we see is that they vibrate a little.
I didn't understand anything you said and don't want to for now. I don't even know why I'm here (Holy shit, I hate procrastinating)
Its quite easy to understand, someone below me can punch the ceiling and shit would vibrate maybe a couple things fall depending on how strong said person is, but it sure wont be a magnitude 5 earthquake. I am of course being hyperbolic here, but point is that magnitude 4 works far better when we have such massively more support for it than magnitude 5 where we see one scene of vibrations to show impact.
Well regardless, I don't think Jogo being able to hurt 15 sukuna will be given to Jogo as a justification, so I'll just end this here.
Thats fine. I never thought it should be a justification either. I think the meteor should scale seperately.
Did someone say he can create the same size? Or are you saying it follows due to being above jogo? iirc the reasoning for it was because Gojo's control of curse energy, like all elite sorcerers, he is able to utilize it all in a punch or kick. It was talked about with Yuta and Yuji.
Both
Well, it doesn't seem that solid of a reasoning to me personally. It'd be great if this was discussed and properly resolved once and for all in the next massive CRT
It was. that's why we have it as such. I forgot where, but we will likely end up having to go over it again.
We already talked that to death in the general discussion thread honestly
