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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

MinatoSparkle said:
That was pre-full awakening. When she fully awakened, she literally moved more than him in the same amount of time and tagged him with ease.
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The awakening didn't make her physically faster, it increased her senses by a million fold which allowed her to predict Naoya's movements. That panel is her moving preemptively and then tagging him, which I actually wanted to calc but I imagine it's not gonna be faster than Naoya anyway
 
Giannysmag said:
The awakening didn't make her physically faster, it increased her senses by a million fold which allowed her to predict Naoya's movements. That panel is her moving preemptively and then tagging him, which I actually wanted to calc but I imagine it's not gonna be faster than Naoya anyway
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Was already calced.
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Maki Dodges Mach 3 (1)

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And was unaccepted. And thematically yeah its not about her increasing in speed, although it can be interpreted as such, she's got sensory capabilities to detect air molecules moving from hundreds of meters away.
 
Giannysmag said:
The awakening didn't make her physically faster,
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Why? This and her senses increasing aren't mutually exclusive. It's like Ultra Instinct or Sage Mode in that sense
Giannysmag said:
it increased her senses by a million fold which allowed her to predict Naoya's movements. That panel is her moving preemptively and then tagging him, which I actually wanted to calc but I imagine it's not gonna be faster than Naoya anyway
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Would still require some level of relativity at least
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Why? This and her senses increasing aren't mutually exclusive. It's like Ultra Instinct or Sage Mode in that sense
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She was already being compared to Toji in physicallity even during the Zenin massacre and every time they talk about her Awakening it's just stated that she can sense things better than she could before.
"It's as if you can smell the light or as if you can see the sound. Everything about your opponent, everything about yourself. You can feel it all"
"Naoya's every move is being relayed to me by my surroundings"
"It's not enough to just be the same as everyone else. There are things that only I can see. Things that only he can see"
MinatoSparkle said:
Would still require some level of relativity at least
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I mean I agree but she sure as hell isn't equal or faster than him, especially since right before this she was noticably lagging behind Naoya while running
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I think it's pretty blatant that Maki gained a physical improvement in addition to her senses improving. We see Maki throw a punch at curse womb Naoya which he completely blitzed after it was thrown, and yet post-awakening Maki is able to outpace a full speed evolved Naoya and has no issue tagging him, and there's nothing within the series which excludes this as a possibility (i.e. her mentioning her newfound sensory capabilities doesn't exclude her also gaining an improved body). Now whether this is a super saiyan stat buff where she just got inherently faster and stronger or is something more natural (like her becoming more attuned with her awakened body and being capable of drawing out more of its potential) is up to the reader, the latter seems more consistent with how HR works though.

The only statement which goes against this is a shonen jump magazine which made a comment during the perfect preparation arc about Maki's strength now rivalling Toji's, this still aligns with my interpretation that Maki just needed to learn to bring out the full potential of her HR but even without that there's arguments around it (such as claiming Toji's strength varied in life, or that since the kanji for the statement of her being his equal was about skill then she ended up surpassing him, etc - things which on their own lack any explicit acknowledgement but can be inferred without contradiction).
 
Giannysmag said:
She was already being compared to Toji in physicallity even during the Zenin massacre and every time they talk about her Awakening it's just stated that she can sense things better than she could before.
"It's as if you can smell the light or as if you can see the sound. Everything about your opponent, everything about yourself. You can feel it all"
"Naoya's every move is being relayed to me by my surroundings"
"It's not enough to just be the same as everyone else. There are things that only I can see. Things that only he can see"
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That's the most pronounced difference, but it doesn't contradict her improving in stats if her feats demonstrate it, which they certainly do. One version of Awakened Maki was getting injured by Human (admittedly while weakened) and Curse Naoya, the other was taking Sukuna's Black Flashes.
Giannysmag said:
I mean I agree but she sure as hell isn't equal or faster than him, especially since right before this she was noticably lagging behind Naoya while running
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Could argue she wasn't trying to race him or that her combat and reaction speed is what's that high
 
It isn't said explicitly, but I think Maki getting stronger between arcs makes more sense, even if you ignore the subject matter above

Post-Sakurajima Maki still implicitly thinks of Yuta as the leading fighter of the group even before the time-skip, and that would be a little weird since she's the most pronounced physically even during Shinjuku
 
Giannysmag said:
She was already being compared to Toji in physicallity even during the Zenin massacre and every time they talk about her Awakening it's just stated that she can sense things better than she could before.
"It's as if you can smell the light or as if you can see the sound. Everything about your opponent, everything about yourself. You can feel it all"
"Naoya's every move is being relayed to me by my surroundings"
"It's not enough to just be the same as everyone else. There are things that only I can see. Things that only he can see"

I mean I agree but she sure as hell isn't equal or faster than him, especially since right before this she was noticably lagging behind Naoya while running
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Combat speed and Travel speed can be different
 
MinatoSparkle said:
That's the most pronounced difference, but it doesn't contradict her improving in stats if her feats demonstrate it, which they certainly do. One version of Awakened Maki was getting injured by Human (admittedly while weakened) and Curse Naoya, the other was taking Sukuna's Black Flashes.
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Her being weakened invalidates the comparison. I don't think your interpretation that she got stronger because she's tanking Sukuna bf is valid, it can very well be just higher into her durability limit. Naoya punches would be a 10, Sukuna's BF would be a 50 while Maki's durability limit is way above 100. Same with her getting hit by mach 3 Naoya, she was wounded by it but it can just be a 30 while Sukuna's BF is a 50. All it means is that Maki has a starting point where a certain amount of force starts to harm her but it doesn't denote her overall durability.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
It isn't said explicitly, but I think Maki getting stronger between arcs makes more sense, even if you ignore the subject matter above

Post-Sakurajima Maki still implicitly thinks of Yuta as the leading fighter of the group even before the time-skip, and that would be a little weird since she's the most pronounced physically even during Shinjuku
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I'm pretty sure there was a statement released by Gege in Shinjuku showdown that Maki is still EQ to Toji
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I'm pretty sure there was a statement released by Gege in Shinjuku showdown that Maki is still EQ to Toji
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Rosa said:
The only statement which goes against this is a shonen jump magazine which made a comment during the perfect preparation arc about Maki's strength now rivalling Toji's, this still aligns with my interpretation that Maki just needed to learn to bring out the full potential of her HR but even without that there's arguments around it (such as claiming Toji's strength varied in life, or that since the kanji for the statement of her being his equal was about skill then she ended up surpassing him, etc - things which on their own lack any explicit acknowledgement but can be inferred without contradiction).
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The local kanji merchant claims it was about skill or whatever. The second one could use the same kanji
 
Arkenis said:
Her being weakened invalidates the comparison.
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It's not like she was near death or something, she could still mostly fight just fine. There's worlds of difference between Human Naoya's hits and Sukuna's Black Flashes; some injuries making up for that difference is questionable to say the least.
Arkenis said:
I don't think your interpretation that she got stronger because she's tanking Sukuna bf is valid, it can very well be just higher into her durability limit. Naoya punches would be a 10, Sukuna's BF would be a 50 while Maki's durability limit is way above 100. Same with her getting hit by mach 3 Naoya, she was wounded by it but it can just be a 30 while Sukuna's BF is a 50. All it means is that Maki has a starting point where a certain amount of force starts to harm her but it doesn't denote her overall durability.
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Cursya wasn't just "wounding" Maki, he ****** her up pretty badly with one hit, to the point that she potentially suffered internal injuries and needed 5 minutes to recover despite her healing abilities. This is pretty comparable to what Sukuna did to her.
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MinatoSparkle said:
It's not like she was near death or something, she could still mostly fight just fine. There's worlds of difference between Human Naoya's hits and Sukuna's Black Flashes; some injuries making up for that difference is questionable to say the least.
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She's was gonna die.

MinatoSparkle said:
Cursya wasn't just "wounding" Maki, he ****** her up pretty badly with one hit, to the point that she potentially suffered internal injuries and needed 5 minutes to recover despite her healing abilities. This is pretty comparable to what Sukuna did to her.
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It's incomparable besides you assuming it lmao.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
??
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Had a slashed abdomen with her intestines falling out. Me thinks a long battle would result in her death.

MinatoSparkle said:
No, Maki doesn't even bleed that much when Sukuna Black Flashes her and recovers in like 1.5 chapters the first time (she's out for all of 254 then the first half of 255, and it's not like these are extended battles)
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She blocked the first one. And why does this matter? Random arguments about bleeding for what? The point is that Maki's durability is high enough already that comparing her damage between two attacks doesn't mean she got more durable in between them.
 
Arkenis said:
Had a slashed abdomen with her intestines falling out. Me thinks a long battle would result in her death.
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Doesn't seem to be open after she awakened
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Arkenis said:
She blocked the first one.
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That's kind of more impressive that her hand isn't broken considering it's a relatively fragile body part 😭
Arkenis said:
And why does this matter? Random arguments about bleeding for what?
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Because she bled considerably from Naoya and not from Sukuna
Arkenis said:
The point is that Maki's durability is high enough already that comparing her damage between two attacks doesn't mean she got more durable in between them.
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Except it literally does

Also this argument is not particularly interesting so I'm probably not gonna respond after this
 
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