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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Rosa said:
I never said this lmfao. Todo did outspeed Yuji and was very obviously winning their exchange physically, then Yuji learnt to better manipulate his cursed energy and have it flow around his body (literally how CE amps your physicals) and then Gojo even states "woah, Yuji's gotten way stronger!" To say Yuji stagnated is baseless.

Ino said Yuji's punch is relative to that of Nanami, which I don't deny Nanami has insane striking power for a grade 1 sorcerer, but there's never any mention of speed.
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you'll also remember in this past convo I also corrected you on asserting I believe Todo blitzed Yuji by saying I'm NOT saying that.
 
Rosa said:
This was my scaling chain for reference, where the only mention of a blitz is Todo blitzing Megumi and then me showing why Nanami (despite being solidly faster than Megumi) wouldn't blitz him as severely as Todo had, which isn't in any way the same thing as saying Todo would blitz Yuji or Nanami.
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Todo never blitzed Megumi, he was simply physically overpowering him

Grade 1 sorcerers aren’t drastically faster than semi-grade 1 level sorcerers like Inumaki, Noritoshi, and Megumi. All 3 can react well to grade 1s.
 
Rosa said:
idc to debate you on that, but stop lying about my positions on here to try and smear my credibility. This isn't even close to the first time; it's dishonest and annoying.
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/jujutsu-kaisen-discussion-page-1.68289/post-6471961

Todo crossing a significant distance “before Yuji could react”
https://vsbattles.com/threads/jujutsu-kaisen-discussion-page-1.68289/post-6472019
like under your interpretation that wouldn’t be a textbook reaction blitz
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/jujutsu-kaisen-discussion-page-1.68289/post-6471961

Todo crossing a significant distance “before Yuji could react”
https://vsbattles.com/threads/jujutsu-kaisen-discussion-page-1.68289/post-6472019
like under your interpretation that wouldn’t be a textbook reaction blitz
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I don't know why you're misquoting a message I literally quoted already, I never said "before Yuji could react" I said "before Yuji could BLOCK". There's a difference between someone reacting vs them not being quick enough to block your punch, the latter isn't a blitz at all.

Also, even if I at some point made a brief regard which can be interpreted as a blitz such as mentioning reaction times, in that same convo I explicitly corrected your assessment of my views by saying I'm NOT arguing Todo could blitz Yuji and have now told you that wasn't my argument. To disregard my own summary of my argument and instead continue to try peddling that I'm arguing something else is peak bad faith engagement.
 
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Rosa said:
I don't know why you're misquoting a message I literally quoted already, I never said "before Yuji could react" I said "before Yuji could BLOCK". There's a difference between someone reacting vs them not being quick enough to block your punch, the latter isn't a blitz at all.

Also, even if I at some point made a brief regard which can be interpreted as a blitz such as mentioning reaction times, in that same convo I explicitly corrected your assessment of my views by saying I'm NOT arguing Todo could blitz Yuji and have now told you that wasn't my argument. To disregard my own summary of my argument and instead continue to try peddling that I'm arguing something else is peak bad faith engagement.
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Someone moving tens of meters before another can block is still a blitz 😐
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Someone moving tens of meters before another can block is still a blitz 😐
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where are you getting "tens of meters" from? 😭

Also, notice how you've now dropped the strawman argument that I said it's a blitz to now trying to argue the feat is inherently a blitz to try force me into a corner of either conceding it's an "outlier" or to accept said strawman position. Ironically enough, this just proves your own inability to engage with JJK inverse where you need to disregard feats as outliers to maintain your interpretation of "these characters said Yuji is strong therefore he must not be fast, therefore feats boosting his speed scaling are outliers! Anyone who disagrees with my JJK takes is just an absurd JJK wanker!"
 
Rosa said:
Also, notice how you've now dropped the strawman argument that I said it's a blitz
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I'm just putting what you said into different words, that's not a strawman. If I said "Gojo has AP 100x stronger than Sukuna's durability" and then someone else reworded it as "so you think Gojo has the AP to one shot Sukuna⁉️⁉️⁉️" It wouldn't be a straw man because it logically follows from what I said

Rosa said:
Ironically enough, this just proves your own inability to engage with JJK inverse where you need to disregard feats as outliers to maintain your interpretation of "these characters said Yuji is strong therefore he must not be fast, therefore feats boosting his speed scaling are outliers! Anyone who disagrees with my JJK takes is just an absurd JJK wanker!"
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I never said it was an outlier feat, I said it was an inconsistent interpretation, because I never thought that Todo blitzed Yuji. Yuji can react just fine to Todo in close range, he's not slower than Todo one bit.

Todo is = Yuji in speed before and after, and he never outsped Yuji at all, hence Yuji has grade 1 sorcerer speed since he kept up with Nanami and kept up with Todo, all the way to Shibuya his speed was equal.
 
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Arkenis said:
Yeah, but we're talking about h2h skill not power. That same Yuji would beat up teen Geto in h2h as well. Teen Geto's best h2h skill is beating up an old sorcerer lmao.
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Nah, I gotta disagree. IDK why Geto would beat up Teen Geto in H2h. He always took pride in being an elite h2h fighter, and given his position as the top of grade 1, I doubt that he'd lose to anyone h2h at the time
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Nah, I gotta disagree. IDK why Geto would beat up Teen Geto in H2h. He always took pride in being an elite h2h fighter, and given his position as the top of grade 1, I doubt that he'd lose to anyone h2h at the time
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They were overconfident teens who thought they were the strongest, with Gojo's overinflated ego, and Geto being the only other student with a good ct around, its no wonder they felt so powerful, especially Gojo. And we aren't talking about at that time, I'm talking about the Yuji who's able to fight special grades alone and win, who has greater physical strength wo ce than first grades with ce. One black flash and Geto's dying, releasing all of those curses like a piñata.
 
Regarding the Teen Gojo vs Higuruma, I checked the Reggie vs Megumi fight. Reggie got completely dog walked because Megumi's domain lacked a sure hit. While Simple Domain cancels the sure hit, not the Cursed Technique itself, Higuruma's domain is his Cursed Technique itself. So Simple Domain most likely won't make Teen Gojo to survive that. Additionally, Higuruma and others planned to seal Sukuna's Cursed Technique with his domain. They never came up with a strategy for anti-domain techniques Sukuna might possess, indicating that an anti-domain technique most likely won't be able to counter Higuruma's Cursed Technique.
 
Arkenis said:
They were overconfident teens who thought they were the strongest, with Gojo's overinflated ego, and Geto being the only other student with a good ct around, its no wonder they felt so powerful, especially Gojo. And we aren't talking about at that time, I'm talking about the Yuji who's able to fight special grades alone and win, who has greater physical strength wo ce than first grades with ce. One black flash and Geto's dying, releasing all of those curses like a piñata.
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1. Heavy Yuji wank. He wouldnt do black flash vs Geto
2. Yuji with cursed energy isn’t stronger than grade 1s, only comparable
3. They weren’t overconfident. Teen Gojo w/ brain damage is ~< Toji, and Geto is ~ that. Toji was by far the strongest at the time, and could’ve wrecked Naobito and the rest of the Zen’ins
4. The only reason they weren’t the real strongest is Toji was a Zen’in clan secret, somewhat

Hot take: Geto only lost to Toji like that because Toji perfectly anti strats Gojo. Toji has a response to things like the Rainbow dragon, which comparable to Toji in durability, because of the durability negation and the imaginary vengeful spirit because of the 0 ce shit
 
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KingTempest said:
Yuji with cursed energy is stronger than Grade 1s. You're tired
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Are you talking about current Yuji or like culling game post Sukuna vessel, because they make it clear that in Shibuya he only might hit as hard as Nanami, observed with CE

Yuji without CE only beats Maki pre awakening, who is not grade 1 level in terms of physicals without cursed tools. He’s staid to be “stronger than Todo” but in terms of innate physical prowess. His AP is massively amped by CE, and Todo himself is relevant all the way into Shibuya with Yuji mastering CE being pracrically equal to Yuji
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Are you talking about current Yuji or like culling game post Sukuna vessel, because they make it clear that in Shibuya he only might hit as hard as Nanami, observed with CE

Yuji without CE only beats Maki pre awakening, who is not grade 1 level in terms of physicals without cursed tools. He’s staid to be “stronger than Todo” but in terms of innate physical prowess. His AP is massively amped by CE, and Todo himself is relevant all the way into Shibuya with Yuji mastering CE being pracrically equal to Yuji
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Current Yuji, Culling Game Post Sukuna Yuji, Culling Game Yuji

Yuji without CE is physically stronger than Maki and Todo.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
Ok fellas, the chapter leaks be droping in about 14 hours, who wants to take bets on what yuji's awakening is?

Blood manip master: 10 points
BF control: 20 points
Cleave and dismantle: 30 points
Yuji gets a domain: 40 points
MOTHER OF GOD ITS TODO WITH A STEEL CHAIR: 50 points
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I need Domain for Yuji lol
Btw I think he gets some conditional domain instead of sure hit.
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Prove that
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Sir_sun_man said:
Ok fellas, the chapter leaks be droping in about 14 hours, who wants to take bets on what yuji's awakening is?

Blood manip master: 10 points
BF control: 20 points
Cleave and dismantle: 30 points
Yuji gets a domain: 40 points
MOTHER OF GOD ITS TODO WITH A STEEL CHAIR: 50 points
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Benevolent Shrine coming
 
Sir_sun_man said:
Ok fellas, the chapter leaks be droping in about 14 hours, who wants to take bets on what yuji's awakening is?

Blood manip master: 10 points
BF control: 20 points
Cleave and dismantle: 30 points
Yuji gets a domain: 40 points
MOTHER OF GOD ITS TODO WITH A STEEL CHAIR: 50 points
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I'm praying to GOD that Todo and Yuji jump Sukuna or some shit
 
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Minor Cursed Energy Addition

Should be simple and straightforward. Advanced Sorcerer Free Movement: Reggie can stand on non-tangible, permeable shadow by reinforcing his feet with cursed energy. Kenjaku Limited Sleep Manipulation: Those who were exposed to Kenjaku's cursed energy falls into deep slumber. Cursed...
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Tony_di_bugalu said:
Yuta survived the world slash so I'm waiting for him to get back into the action
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Atp Yuta needs an awakening similar to the one Gojo had in hidden inventory

Also I think if he healed he should jump Uraume with Hakari, they will finish her in a chapter, then they can focus on Sukuna

unless it turned out that Uraume has a domain with open barrier that can break their domains which is gonna be hilarious
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
Prove that
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I hate when I make claims that I think are obvious that people say "prove"
Guacamolefletcher said:
That’s Todo saying Yuji’s innate physical strength > his own

Also pre-awakening Maki isn’t a grade 1 sorcerer based on physicals alone

She needs cursed tools to reach that level
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Don't nobody care tbh, it means that he hits harder

And "innate physical strength" just say no CE striking, cause that's what it is.

Maki needs cursed tools to be on his level. The majority of her tools don't boost her to incredible amounts.
 
I know this might derail the thread but it's been bugging me for a while now.

Given Gojo's explanation of Black Flash, is it possible that further research and discovery could lead to finding out how to perform a Black Flash at will? He stated that there are numerous other factors/conditions to landing a Black Flash, besides the timing, that are unknown to him and Jujutsu society as a whole, w/some of said factors/conditions being beyond any person's control. That being said, enough study into Black Flashes can possibly determine all of the needed requirements; even the ones that no one can control or manipulate can be learned to taken into account.
 
Does Rika's manifestation contradict how true mutual love works?

In his domain, the CTs that he copied are scattered as swords, he doesn't know which CT is in the sword unless he touches it

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While he's connected to Rika, he has access to the CTs that he copied and he can use them freely, he maintains the connection for 5 mins
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So the question here is, if he used Rika and opened his domain, what would happen?

Would he use copied CTs freely or would they be scattered randomly

I mean if I'm getting this correctly, Rika's connection provides him with a better usage of his CT, but his domain has a sure hit advantage
 
JnSteHar002 said:
I know this might derail the thread but it's been bugging me for a while now.

Given Gojo's explanation of Black Flash, is it possible that further research and discovery could lead to finding out how to perform a Black Flash at will? He stated that there are numerous other factors/conditions to landing a Black Flash, besides the timing, that are unknown to him and Jujutsu society as a whole, w/some of said factors/conditions being beyond any person's control. That being said, enough study into Black Flashes can possibly determine all of the needed requirements; even the ones that no one can control or manipulate can be learned to taken into account.
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Yeah but the problem is that bf is only achieved with luck, Gojo says his fights doesn't last long enough to get multiple bfs
So since its not sth that can be reached alot, it's hard to get more info, Gojo only came to that conclusion because he can manipulate the 3 types of CE

Now Yuji is gonna get more experience with bf than Gojo, so he might be the first one to reach the final answer
 
Btw which one is Yuta's technique? The manga says it is copy but the fanbook says it's Rika.

Is it one? The other? Neither? Both? Both could work given Kenny has like 4
 
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