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Him and Hanami punching at the exact same speed against Gojothere is no proof of this
Those attacks against Gojo have no AP feats either, and against Naobito he used volcano heads not tiny flames.He hit them with some tiiny flames, not any of the attacks he used vs Gojo
Why? The statements only ever reference CE volume, never stats.ALSO the 8f estimate doesn't factor in things like the barrierless domain or "Open " arrows, it's likely a stats statement.
Does Gojo not exist?No one from the current manga beats 10 finger Sukuna in a fight, but they are faster and stronger
According to Kusakabe, a technique as grand as the World-Cutting Slash "needs a charge-up period or some kind of Binding Vow"
After Sukuna lost his hands did he made another BV? seems like he needs to charge it up now
He’s dead dude. Gojo is not alive in the current MangaDoes Gojo not exist?
Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf thenHe’s dead dude. Gojo is not alive in the current Manga
GWE Yuji should also be faster than Nanami and Maki via his own scaling chains, so that's not too notableHanami could’ve gotten stronger or something. Jogo is acknowledged as way faster than Dagon, who can keep up with Nanami and Maki
There was a very obvious and invisible "except Gojo"Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf then
"If it hit" isn't the same as saying it would damage, as Jogo was more so thinking it should have hit Sukuna. Sukuna trolls him. even then, congrats in damaging a casual SukunaIdk, Maximum Meteor could’ve harmed 15F Sukuna
i stopped reading it when they say highest output in history. clearly a jjk reader that didn't bother diving deep. because that statement talks about Modern Sendai (correct translation)I mean Kashimo does states Hakari has high output and CE pool which automatically acts as damage reduction. So Maybe true?
so ce reserves. lol. basically the very same thing mahito said about how jogo has more ce reserves than 3F, yet 3F Sukuna ce control (output) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jogo.People are forgetting that the 3rd finger was released by Kenjaku and the curses just to take a look on Sukuna's abilities
After that they went to the restaurant and Jogo asked Kenjaku how strong I am? Kenjaku said 8 or 9
So no it's not just an assumption from Gojo, Kenjaku as well confirmed that Jogo was stronger than Sukuna at that time
anybody that does a careful research would know gege is deeply involved in the anime. pretty obvious if u don't just focus on powerscaling and more so lore related stuff and canon. (no offense)little to no confirmation of Gege's oversight
W.This isn't true, Gege has been involved of ALL aspects of the anime from th very beginning with explicit oversite. Tertiary canon means no oversite by the original author. So I'm not sure how you'd conclude it's teritary canon, or be comfortable in making the claim he has no supervision over the project, as all evidence points towards the complete opposite.
The team has extensive communication with Shueisha and Gege
The team wanted to remain faithful to the original and had "alot of discussions closely discussing details" with gege and Shueisha. [2]
MAPPA CEO directly confirming Gege's oversite/direct involvement with Seasons 1/2 and the movie.
Appreciation for Gege's involvement in the process of creating the anime
Anime only scenes are created with Gege's approval [2] [3]
Gege themselves talking about their involvement
Gege even being involved with commenting on the direction of the music
Not quite sure how this signals tertiary canon.
How is it vague?Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf then
No. No one even thinks this here. Iirc for people reading, he thinks Yuji got blitzed by todo or something. Yuji never got faster during the GWE to Shibuya, it’s the same Yuji basically, he just added finesse and skillGWE Yuji should also be faster than Nanami and Maki via his own scaling chains, so that's not too notable
I never said this lmfao. Todo did outspeed Yuji and was very obviously winning their exchange physically, then Yuji learnt to better manipulate his cursed energy and have it flow around his body (literally how CE amps your physicals) and then Gojo even states "woah, Yuji's gotten way stronger!" To say Yuji stagnated is baseless.No. No one even thinks this here. Iirc for people reading, he thinks Yuji got blitzed by todo or something. Yuji never got faster during the GWE to Shibuya, it’s the same Yuji basically, he just added finesse and skill
Ino said Yuji's punch is relative to that of Nanami, which I don't deny Nanami has insane striking power for a grade 1 sorcerer, but there's never any mention of speed.Nanami punches harder and is equal in speed to Shibuya Yuji
Please show this happeningTodo did outspeed Yuji
Should be more like his 80-90%. Why would Nanami be inferior?Ino said Yuji's punch is relative to that of Nanami, which I don't deny Nanami has insane striking power for a grade 1 sorcerer, but there's never any mention of speed
He got better, but his stats themselves are the same. He went from going relative to Nanami to going relative to Nanami, he basically didn’t change. There’s also no note of Yuji surpassing Nanami in speed to any significant extent. As far as we see, his punch wasn’t insanely fast to Ino, who’s inferior to NanamiYuji learnt to better manipulate his cursed energy and have it flow around his body (literally how CE amps your physicals) and then Gojo even stats "woah, Yuji's gotten way stronger!" To say Yuji stagnated is baseless.
It does.Also Cursed energy doesn’t amp speed
Todo punched Yuji severel feet away and then crossed that distance to land a second blow before Yuji could block, and Yuji only blocked the initial hit due to being warned about it. For consistency, we see Todo grossly outspeed Megumi (essentially blitzing him), the same Megumi who can fight alongside Maki and attack in unison, the same Maki who can at the very least react to Overtime Nanami enough to participate in combo attacks. Todo then states Yuji's lackluster cursed energy control is making him "weak" and unable to access the "full strength" of his jabs (not just a matter of being skilled) and throughout the fight is complimenting Yuji's growth rate. Once Yuji grasps this he reveals he was going easy on him the entire time (including when he outspeeded him prior). Gojo even claims Yuji has grown "way stronger" and says he should even be able to take on a special grade now (when has Nanami ever been given such a statement?)Please show this happening
You haven't given any reason for Nanami to be superior, you're just saying "I FEEL like it should be 80 to 90%, anyway I already gave the scaling chain for Yuji.Should be more like his 80-90%. Why would Nanami be inferior?
proof?He got better, but his stats themselves are the same. He went from going relative to Nanami to going relative to Nanami, he basically didn’t change.
Why do we need a statement of Yuji surpassing Nanami for it to be true? We weren't given that statement when Yuji was fighting 15F Sukuna, or current Sukuna, is Yuji still below Nanami in power? Has Yuji not been growing at all? Obviously not, we can infer a character is stronger through their new feats.There’s also no note of Yuji surpassing Nanami in speed to any significant extent.
This is just an assumption, Ino just commented on its power not it's speed.As far as we see, his punch wasn’t insanely fast to Ino, who’s inferior to Nanami
Guac will consistently appeal to site consensus when it agrees with him to pretend to possess some higher authority over topics but then outright reject official site stances when it disagrees with him just as easily. It's so dishonest lmfaoIt does.
It’s accepted as doing so on site.
i might go on a long tangent here, but just tryna explain it clear for you.TBF the 15F Sukuna at "10% output" had a fluctuating power level where at his lowest it was dipping below 10% (with his physicals not going as low as his CT's output),
A: Not much. It’s like when a dragonfly can still move a bit when its head is ripped offQ: Fake Geto’s hand moved on its own (after Gojo said "How are you gonna let yourself get used like that... Suguru?") during the Shibuya Incident. How much of Geto’s will still remains?
? ? ? Technique
good point, although this only strengthens my conclusion imoi might go on a long tangent here, but just tryna explain it clear for you.
which output do you think is easier to affect and which one do you think is more complex?
CT is more complex to fk around with to begin with for megumi. as for ce output in reinforcement? requires less effort. so I think ce reinforcement would be far more easily affected.
even if you think they're the same in difficulty, Megumi would still be affecting the output in Sukuna's body. How else does he give the ct output.
oh, I almost misunderstood what you meant. Sukuna never says his physicals is not going as low as his output, that's a misunderstanding many people have.
When Sukuna says minimal influence on the flesh, do you know what kanji is used?
肉
This is the same kanji used for the fanbook explanation about Kenjaku's technique controlling the 肉
When Geto tried to strangle Kenny, it isn't like his ce is getting affected. It's literally control over the body, the flesh, like say, if Megumi tried to control Sukuna's hand to stop moving, something like that. Not ce physicals or stuff.
A: Not much. It’s like when a dragonfly can still move a bit when its head is ripped off
? ? ? Technique
By using the technique, he can control the flesh. It’s a taboo technique with a lot of mysteries.
肉
just clarifying for you (and the rest)
Moving on:
“There are some irregularities, but my CE output is falling below 10%…
It doesn't go as far as hindering my movements in this vessel, but…”
^ Translation by Lightning of the raw scan I posted above. He directly says it is falling below 10%, unlike other TL. Furthermore...
“Probably when I try to hurt his comrades, this body strongly resists me and drops my Cursed Technique’s Cursed Energy output. In that case…” (Lightning TL)
In any case, when he tries or so on, his output drops.
Despite all of this Sukuna thinks this amount of CE output for his ct is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji?
Ik many people think that if it just says ct output then it shouldn't affect CE output for reinforcement.... which is plain wrong. 1.5F ct level of dismantle and cleave enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji but his fists don't one shot? Obviously they're both affected then. It also doubly doesn't make sense when Megumi would have no reason to not disrupt the general flow of ce being poured into ce output for ct and reinforcement.
and it ain't like his dismantle is or cleave is several tiers apart really from his own stats. (Given those same slashes didn't do much to gojo individually despite being heavily amped due to being in domain, and Sukuna is still in the same tier as gojo normally, too)
Did you read JJK?He got better, but his stats themselves are the same.
why are you using old arguments that were debunked in this site badly, in a thread about cursed energy amping ur speed.Also Cursed energy doesn’t amp speed
Do you know what looking down and being distracted means? He’s CLEARLY doing that hereTodo punched Yuji severel feet away and then crossed that distance to land a second blow before Yuji could block,
he's looking at his arms, a hulk like Todo would still be in his line of sight.Do you know what looking down and being distracted means? He’s CLEARLY doing that here
He’s not paying attention though, getting surprised by something coming out of left field while you’re distracted isn’t being out sped. Todo isn’t even that much faster than pandahe's looking at his arms, a hulk like Todo would still be in his line of sight.
Not if somethings charging right at you at the centre of your line of sight, also what feat does panda have?He’s not paying attention though, getting surprised by something coming out of left field while you’re distracted isn’t being out sped. Todo isn’t even that much faster than panda
Geto never claims this, and Megumi’s statement is about running speed and the strength to push your legs to run faster. Someone with cursed energy has greater physical strength and hence can run fasterIt does.
It’s accepted as doing so on site.
Not sure how you could possibly come to this consideration unless you believe sorcs smoke all other humans for some reason other than CE. You’d also be disregarding Megumi’s assessment of no CE Yuji being “fast for someone wothout CE” amd Geto’s explicit confirmation that it does.
It’s being caught offguardNot if somethings charging right at you at the centre of your line of sight, also what feat does panda have?
King Tempest?as long as *!n$(&/:/st agrees, it’s good and valid (real ones know who that is)
headcanon, anyway send the Panda featIt’s being caught offguard
No??King Tempest?
idk man, 11 letters ending is "st" narrows it down to him. Also, SEND THE PANDA FEAT because I know you literally just outright lied about thatNo??
Its stated that gorilla mode Panda can stall Todo, so he can keep up with himidk man, 11 letters ending is "st" narrows it down to him. Also, SEND THE PANDA FEAT because I know you literally just outright lied about that
Lol.Geto never claims this, and Megumi’s statement is about running speed and the strength to push your legs to run faster. Someone with cursed energy has greater physical strength and hence can run faster
Most of this seems to be about the first ep and just directing the storyboard. Nothing really says all aspects here.This isn't true, Gege has been involved of ALL aspects of the anime from th very beginning with explicit oversite. Tertiary canon means no oversite by the original author. So I'm not sure how you'd conclude it's teritary canon, or be comfortable in making the claim he has no supervision over the project, as all evidence points towards the complete opposite.
The team has extensive communication with Shueisha and Gege
The team wanted to remain faithful to the original and had "alot of discussions closely discussing details" with gege and Shueisha. [2]
MAPPA CEO directly confirming Gege's oversite/direct involvement with Seasons 1/2 and the movie.
Appreciation for Gege's involvement in the process of creating the anime
Anime only scenes are created with Gege's approval [2] [3]
Gege themselves talking about their involvement
Gege even being involved with commenting on the direction of the music
Not quite sure how this signals tertiary canon.
I think it’s probably ok to use the JJK0 movie because it adds stuff that was retconned into happening in JJK0, like the black flashes and whatnot. Also it makes more sense with stuff like Yuta hitting the black flashMost of this seems to be about the first ep and just directing the storyboard. Nothing really says all aspects here.
[2] [3] These aren't opening for me though.
And approval doesn't translate to everything's now canon. Feel like that just makes the manga pointless if we're gonna go with anime adaption for whatever reason.
Lol.
why does megumi yap about toji being this fast without ce. do you think they are innately this fast in reaction speed and not that ce amps it?
The full statement "even our combined strength might not be enough to take him down. At first, I was thinking about positioning someone in the rear to keep him occupied - maybe Panda or Megumi" (the same Megumi that got blitzed).Its stated that gorilla mode Panda can stall Todo, so he can keep up with him
Then you clearly didn't read them all.Most of this seems to be about the first ep and just directing the storyboard. Nothing really says all aspects here.
[2] [3] These aren't opening for me though.
And approval doesn't translate to everything's now canon. Feel like that just makes the manga pointless if we're gonna go with anime adaption for whatever reason.
Literally does in chapter 0, his direct quote beingGeto never claims this,
Which covers both applicable aspects of speed.I suspect this is the first time in your life you've felt so feverous Your body is brimming with Cursed Energy.Your physical abilities have improved, and your all-around abilities* and your fives sense have also been honed.
Motor movements are commensurate to reaction speed which is why you will faceplant if you step onto a treadmill running at 40mph. You need coordination for said movement.and Megumi’s statement is about running speed and the strength to push your legs to run faster.
That's not what running is all about, completely neglects the fact that "running fast" requires neuronal input and coordination.Someone with cursed energy has greater physical strength and hence can run faster
Oh that's a rule? And I wasn't saying you said that, it was a general statement. I wouldn't personally use secondary canon over the primary for scaling purposes is all.Approval/direct involvement and supervision means secondary canon, which means said feats fall under secondary canon rule. I never said "everything is canon now" so don't put words in my mouth.
What would even be the 7-C feat?Me personally I want my 7-C mid tier and Low-High Mahoraga