Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Woomica]

Assuming they are all at their max potential
1. Copy
2. Comedian
3. Limitless + Six Eyes
4/5. 10 Shadows / Idle Transfiguration
6. Angel's CT
idk about the rest

Now its my turn
1.Limitless + Six eyes (Litteraly op and currently only countered by isoh,mahoraga and DA/DE (if they even land lol))
2.Comedian
3.Ctrl C + Ctrl V
4.10 shadows
5.Idle transfiguration
6.Star Rage/CS manipulaiton
Idk abt rest

 

[YukaSama4]

Blue is limitless technique. When CT gets confiscated it would remove all of the limitless based abilities

Also from what we see it wouldn't come back even if Higu dies so Gojo will be fighting Higuruma with just his CE Reinforcements. Oh six eyes might still remain.

Regarding Death Penalty I guess Higuruma can frame something on him depending on the case. Didn't he killed few people from that organisation which was trying to kill Riko?

He will just use SD if he found himself cornered ig

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Not really, I'm not saying that Limitless suck because the user is skilless. One thing is having no skill, another is not being born with Gojo's genius.

Limitless is literally useless without a super rare external condition, and even with it, you can still suck if you don't have Gojo's level of skill.

Toji was straight up negging Infinity. Infinity got automated because of Gojo's skill and Six Eyes. Please put this inside your head: Limitless is only broken because of external factors that are outside the control of the user. If he doesn't get lucky enough to be born with Six Eyes, he won't use it as efficient as Gojo does. If he doesn't get lucky enough to be as good as Gojo, he won't use it as good as Gojo did.

Arguing Domains makes no sense because CTs are nullified inside Domains. How do you expect a CT to neg a Domain if it can't be used?

Why are you using a guy capable of giving Sukuna a boner without using CE… and same guy with a literal anti-CT weapon in your argument.

Also a CT user has to be skilled otherwise it’s useless. If you are arguing from that angle, clone UiUi and give him any of the top 10 CT and tell me why UiUi with limitless wouldn’t be top 3.

The super rare external conditions just amps the CT… doesn’t make it any less bad ass.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Because he'd get death penalty? Lol, Geto is a mass murderer dude.

This is teen Geto, and the picture is him before even doing anything bad like that

 

[Arkenis]

I think Gojo has killed people knowing Curse users were sent to kill him when he was a child. Though it's upto to debate if he can get free out of Higuruma domain with excuses.

Probably for killing in defense would work

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Luguru Geto

I'm telling you Shinjuku Showdown Kusakabe smokes Teen Geto

He will just use SD if he found himself cornered ig

Yeah but it will only buy time? Also does that even work on Higuruma domain? I mean SD blocks sure hit not all functions. What's Higuruma domain sure hit btw ?

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

"I did not. I said that YukaSama4 said it. I quoted your comment and bolded the control part. Please read."
Who is ""they"" then?

"You too."
No seriously, look up and see the confusion here.

"Actually, no. The only time you said it's compared to Ryu was when we called you out."
? Which I clarified? Idk what kind of call out you were expecting. But that was me clarifying. I understand the misunderstanding here.

"You said his CE control sucks. That's all you said. It was not compared to Ryu's output."
Uh yeah it was COMPARED. I literally started talking about the reasons why he matched up to Ryu in output being thanks to his abnormally high ce reserves which Ryu noted of.

His output doesn't suck. His CE control does tho. Only reason he matched with Ryu is due to his abnormally high reserves that compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level. If it was Ryu's level, Ryu is a instant goner.

You can see the overall context. "compensated for his ce control not being on Ryu level". I'm aware that it may have come off as differently for you and the others in the meaning that I was trying to get across, hence why I clarified AFTER that. And did again.

"Again this comment of yours also implies that his CE control just outright sucks, not compared to Ryu."
No it doesn't.

"If you mean that his CE control sucks compared to Ryu's control, then that's something different from what you said originally. And even then that's something that's not always 1:1. Yuta's CE control and output is actually one of the best in the verse."
That's exactly what I meant.
? One of the Best? Yeah uh, no. When he is heavily carried by CE reserves against opponents on the same tier as him, I gotta disagree. I could see him in top 10 though. (To explain what I mean: Imagine Yuta and Yuji are equals for examples sake. But Yuji can match up Yuta in ce output. This means his CE control is far greater than his despite the large gap between these two in ce reserves)

Response to M3X ^

 

[Arkenis]

Not

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:M3X_2.0/JJKStats2 can I add Naoya?

 

[YukaSama4]

Yeah but it will only buy time? Also does that even work on Higuruma domain? I mean SD blocks sure hit not all functions. What's Higuruma domain sure hit btw ?

Iirc SD counters the barrier not just the sure hit
The sure hit gets deactivated because its imbued to the barrier

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Without Six Eyes it sucks.

It is never stated to suck tho. But it IS stated that you literally cannot use it without the six eyes, so there's that? shrug.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It is never stated to suck tho. But it IS stated that you literally cannot use it without the six eyes, so there's that? shrug.

If it’s stated it can’t even be used without six eyes then I’ll just drop the argument.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Iirc SD counters the barrier not just the sure hit
The sure hit gets deactivated because its imbued to the barrier

Kinda lazy to look for the chapters found this shit

Hiromi Higuruma

Hiromi Higuruma (日 (ひ) 車 (ぐるま) 寛 (ひろ) 見 (み) , Higuruma Hiromi?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a defense attorney who often took on impossibly difficult cases in order to protect the wrongfully accused. Having since given up on the justice system completely, Hiromi currently...

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domain does not use a guaranteed hit, instead, anyone inside is simply forced to follow its rules. Violence is not permitted in the domain and anyone who tries to engage will be returned to their podium.

Higuruma domain is conditional so I don't think SD.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Why are you using a guy capable of giving Sukuna a boner without using CE… and same guy with a literal anti-CT weapon in your argument.

What the **** are you even talking about

Also a CT user has to be skilled otherwise it’s useless. If you are arguing from that angle, clone UiUi and give him any of the top 10 CT and tell me why UiUi with limitless wouldn’t be top 3.

Yeah, a CT user has to be skilled. But when you compare a CT user that was born with a super rare external condition that makes him able to use his CT properly who is also a genius against your average Jujutsu sorcerer with a CT, it's not fair.

You're the only one here wanking Limitless.

Pay attention to what I'm gonna say: To even use Limitless properly, you need to be lucky to be born with a external, super rare condition that makes your CE pool nearly infinite. Not only that. All Limitless feats you see in the series comes from a dude that got lucky to be born with this super rare external condition, but this same dude is also the greatest Jujutsu user of all time alongside Sukuna.

Ui Ui with Limitless wouldn't be CLOSE to smelling a position in the top 10. He'd not get to use it, at all. And he's not as skilled as Gojo.

Please pay attention to what I'm writing. Without Six Eyes, it sucks massive dicks. YOU CAN'T EVEN USE IT.

It is never stated to suck tho. But it IS stated that you literally cannot use it without the six eyes, so there's that? shrug.

If you can't use it then I think it sucks.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:M3X_2.0/JJKStats2 can I add Naoya?

That's only for the top tiers though.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Blue is limitless technique. When CT gets confiscated it would remove all of the limitless based abilities

Also from what we see it wouldn't come back even if Higu dies so Gojo will be fighting Higuruma with just his CE Reinforcements. Oh six eyes might still remain.

Regarding Death Penalty I guess Higuruma can frame something on him depending on the case. Didn't he killed few people from that organisation which was trying to kill Riko?

SD gg.

 

[YukaSama4]

Kinda lazy to look for the chapters found this shit

Hiromi Higuruma

Hiromi Higuruma (日 (ひ) 車 (ぐるま) 寛 (ひろ) 見 (み) , Higuruma Hiromi?) is a character in the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a defense attorney who often took on impossibly difficult cases in order to protect the wrongfully accused. Having since given up on the justice system completely, Hiromi currently...

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Higuruma domain is conditional so I don't think SD.

SD counters the barrier and domain conditions are applied within the barrier so I don't think it will work against SD

 

[Arnoldstone18]

If you can't use it then I think it sucks.

Then it doesn’t even exist*

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

I was wondering if something like translation documents could be added to the verse page or something on vsbw (for jjk)
especially things like fanbook and the like.
Thoughts?

 

[Arkenis]

I was wondering if something like translation documents could be added to the verse page or something on vsbw (for jjk)
especially things like fanbook and the like.
Thoughts?

Yeah.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Because he'd get death penalty? Lol, Geto is a mass murderer dude.

Teen Geto pre-racism

 

[Arkenis]

Teen Geto pre-racism

Assaulted an old man and trespassed into a school along with Gojo.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Teen Geto pre-racism

Attempted murder against Toji. He also helped Gojo to do it.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

SD counters the barrier and domain conditions are applied within the barrier so I don't think it will work against SD

But technique doesn't gets cancelled instead of it will just create a small domain for the users inside opponent Domain.

Anyway kind sleepy I'll continue this tomorrow. I also need to check the chapters again. I'm not sure how these different conditional domains gets countered.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Yeah.

oh nice

now how do i do that. i got the bag, but idk how to share the bag like that fr

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Attempted murder against Toji. He also helped Gojo to do it.

He’d still beat Higuruma no CT. He should be far faster than that Higuruma, and having his martial arts skills, I still have my money on him

 

[M3X_2.0]

Another CT that sucks if you’re not HIM is Shrine.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Assaulted an old man and trespassed into a school along with Gojo.

Self defense

There’s no such thing as trespassing a school. They’re visitors.

 

[M3X_2.0]

He’d still beat Higuruma no CT. He should be far faster than that Higuruma, and having his martial arts skills, I still have my money on him

If anything this Higuruma is faster.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Attempted murder against Toji. He also helped Gojo to do it.

Self defense

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

JP with construction technique is busted. Inf CE? U got it. No need to worry about efficiency. go crazy in creation. now add in six eyes (innate talent) and this pair might be the most dangerous fr

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Would Geto ingesting cursed spirits count as abduction or some shit

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Would Geto ingesting cursed spirits count as abduction or some shit

Curses don’t have human rights under the Japanese law at least

 

[M3X_2.0]

Self defense

They were not in America.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

If anything this Higuruma is faster.

Why? Geto ~ Gojo ~< Toji

The only reason Geto couldn’t react to Toji in close range is he was caught offguard by having the curse not yield to his cursed spirit manipulation.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

They were not in America.

Are you seriously telling me Japan doesn’t have a better self defense law system?

 

[Rosa]

Yuji doesn't have outstanding durability for his level of AP, and given what we know about her, she's in the same level as Nanami in terms of physicals at least, and Yuji is ONLY equal to Nanami.

Also IDK what the poison matters for there, because I think she'd be hard pressed to even get herself caught in a PB. Not because she'd dodge, but because she wouldn't get into that situation. There's no way in hell she doesn't know about Piercing Blood, so she'd anti strat

Yuji > Nanami in durability

idek what you mean by anti strat, she's just gonna get blitzed icl, also can you send the statement of her being comparable to Nanami I've been looking for it and I can't find it

 

[Arkenis]

Strongest Grade 1 vs Walking Calamari

Shibuya Kusakabe Range 10 meters Location: Same place Dagon fought Nanami and Naobito Kusakabe: Dagon:

vsbattles.com

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Yuji > Nanami in durability

idek what you mean by anti strat, she's just gonna get blitzed icl, also can you send the statement of her being comparable to Nanami I've been looking for it and I can't find it

Yuji’s level of durability isn’t superb compared to his level of attack porrncy.

By “anti strat” I mean avoid

We know Yuji has impressive AP, comparable to that of a grade 1 sorcerer, according to Mei Mei. However, his speed isn’t superb to anyone. Hence, we can assume that Mei Mei doesn’t think his speed is anything notable compared to her. She doesn’t think “woah, with this speed he could even blitz a grade 1 sorcerer” which is the result of your erroneous “Todo blitzed Yuji” scaling.

She should be at least comparable to Yuji, considering this.

It’s the same with Nanami vs Yuji. Ino sees Yuji and thinks “damn, he might be in Nanami’s level of AP,” never “damn wtf, this dude would f*cling blitz Nanami! He’s insane!!!” Your erroneous lines of scaling based on singular examples make no f*cking sense in context of how people interpret power in universe and consider people.

Yuji is at best comparable to Nanami and Mei Mei in speed, so Mei Mei scales to Yuji’s combat speed.

In general, regular sorcerers aren’t fully blitzing other regular sorcerers. The only thing that blitzes a grade 1 is someone like Naobito, and he’s known as the fastest sorcerer because of it. Aside from that, you got Naoya who is comparable to Naobito. Also PB, and all 3 are near, at, and surpass sound speed.

 

[Rosa]

Yuji’s level of durability isn’t superb compared to his level of attack porrncy.

By “anti strat” I mean avoid

We know Yuji has impressive AP, comparable to that of a grade 1 sorcerer, according to Mei Mei. However, his speed isn’t superb to anyone. Hence, we can assume that Mei Mei doesn’t think his speed is anything notable compared to her. She doesn’t think “woah, with this speed he could even blitz a grade 1 sorcerer” which is the result of your erroneous “Todo blitzed Yuji” scaling.

She should be at least comparable to Yuji, considering this.

It’s the same with Nanami vs Yuji. Ino sees Yuji and thinks “damn, he might be in Nanami’s level of AP,” never “damn wtf, this dude would f*cling blitz Nanami! He’s insane!!!” Your erroneous lines of scaling based on singular examples make no f*cking sense in context of how people interpret power in universe and consider people.

Yuji is at best comparable to Nanami and Mei Mei in speed, so Mei Mei scales to Yuji’s combat speed

I literally never once gave a scaling chain for Todo blitzing Yuji but okay!

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I literally never once gave a scaling chain for Todo blitzing Yuji but okay!

You have literally stated on this thread before that you think Todo is way faster than Nanami because he “blitzed Yuji”

 

[Rosa]

Todo punched Yuji severel feet away and then crossed that distance to land a second blow before Yuji could block, and Yuji only blocked the initial hit due to being warned about it. For consistency, we see Todo grossly outspeed Megumi (essentially blitzing him), the same Megumi who can fight alongside Maki and attack in unison, the same Maki who can at the very least react to Overtime Nanami enough to participate in combo attacks. Todo then states Yuji's lackluster cursed energy control is making him "weak" and unable to access the "full strength" of his jabs (not just a matter of being skilled) and throughout the fight is complimenting Yuji's growth rate. Once Yuji grasps this he reveals he was going easy on him the entire time (including when he outspeeded him prior). Gojo even claims Yuji has grown "way stronger" and says he should even be able to take on a special grade now (when has Nanami ever been given such a statement?)

This was my scaling chain for reference, where the only mention of a blitz is Todo blitzing Megumi and then me showing why Nanami (despite being solidly faster than Megumi) wouldn't blitz him as severely as Todo had, which isn't in any way the same thing as saying Todo would blitz Yuji or Nanami.