Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

The creation Binding Vow is exclusive to Yorozu. She created a Special Grade Cursed Tool, which she normally can't

That's for creation in general, which reminds me to put Mai's binding vow as well

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That's for creation in general, which reminds me to put Mai's binding vow as well

It only works for them because their technique specifically allows them to construct objects

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Arkenis/sandboxforBindingvows?venotify=created Anyone have something to add to this.

Only characters with creation technique should be able to do it because of how it works otherwise anyone would have created cursed tools

• Creation (Though not done by most, binding vows can also create cursed tools[9] as Yorozu did)

 

[Giannysmag]

That's for creation in general, which reminds me to put Mai's binding vow as well

Yea but it's something only Yorozu and Mai can do because of their CT, it shouldn't be listed under an ability that aplies to the entire verse

Edit: Got speedblitzed twice

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yea but it's something only Yorozu and Mai can do because of their CT, it shouldn't be listed under an ability that aplies to the entire verse

Edit: Got speedblitzed twice

Big Subsonic speed of yours can't catch up with our speed.

 

[Arkenis]

It only works for them because their technique specifically allows them to construct objects

Yea but it's something only Yorozu and Mai can do because of their CT, it shouldn't be listed under an ability that aplies to the entire verse

Edit: Got speedblitzed twice

Only characters with creation technique should be able to do it because of how it works otherwise anyone would have created cursed tools

• Creation (Though not done by most, binding vows can also create cursed tools[9] as Yorozu did)

I know only they can do it, I still think it should be on page to represent the extent of binding vows, that's why I put "Though not done by most".
I can change that to "Only those with construction techniques".

Also What do ya think of Yorozu being part of the Zenin clan and Mai inherited her ct?

 

[Giannysmag]

"Though not done by most"

Then i'd at least change the wording of this cause to me it implies that other sorcorers can do it and just choose not too, when they are physically unable to because they don't have Construction

 

[Giannysmag]

Also What do ya think of Yorozu being part of the Zenin clan and Mai inherited her ct?

Not real because it would require Gege to slightly flesh out the history of the clans

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I know only they can do it, I still think it should be on page to represent the extent of binding vows, that's why I put "Though not done by most".
I can change that to "Only those with construction techniques".

Also What do ya think of Yorozu being part of the Zenin clan and Mai inherited her ct?

Zenin clan took in other clans so it has variety of CT it wouldn't be surprising if they took in someone from Yorozu Bloodline.

 

[Woomica]

Interesting opinion, anyway completely unreleated but i updated my tierlist of takes

as long as im not here list is good self hatred i have for me is insane

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Not real because it would require Gege to slightly flesh out the history of the clans

Zenin clan is like a mix of many clans.

 

[Duedate8898]

Also What do ya think of Yorozu being part of the Zenin clan and Mai inherited her ct?

Most likely true, that or Mai and Maki's mom is decended from Yorozu's clan. Since we know CT are inherited that's the only real means for the techinque to be shared

 

[Giannysmag]

self hatred i have for me is insane

You are perfect the way you are

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Most likely true, that or Mai and Maki's mom is decended from Yorozu's clan. Since we know CT are inherited that's the only real means for the techinque to be shared

Pretty much

ZENIN FAMILY
“You are not a jujutsu sorcerer if you are not from the Zenin clan. You are not human if you are not a jujutsu sorcerer.”

As the satirical words of a certain Heian era aristocrat suggests, this is a clan that has gained an unshakeable position in history by taking in and bringing together jujutsu sorcerers with powerful techniques into their family. That is the Zenin Family. Therefore, the strength of this family lies in their multiple inherited techniques, such as Projection Sorcery and the Ten Shadows Technique. On the other hand, those who do not inherit the inherited technique are treated as an outcast, even if they are blood relatives.

 

[Duedate8898]

Also, something I recently thought about the Soul Split Katana Mai made for Maki was whether or not Mai ever knew about the original one that Toji had. Because while it isn't impossible she could've learned about it, I wonder if instead Soul Split Katana is the natural result of making a Cursed Tool out of a twin. We know that cursed energy considers twins essentially one in the same and the Soul Split Katana can only properly be wielded by one who can understand the contours of the soul. So it's possible that either someone with a curse techinque that related to cutting in a way similar to Sukuna's embedded it into a curse tool or someone capable of making curse tools created the Soul Split katana and either way that person understood the contours of the soul. If that's true then the original creator of the OG Soul Split Katana would've through some means came to understand the soul and one of the means to get this understanding is through being a twin.

Tldr. Twins creating cursed tools naturally come to the conclusion of something like the Soul Split Katana.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Physics > chemistry on god

based.

Physics>>chemistry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Biology

 

[Giannysmag]

Spoiler: Chapter 257 leaks

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Spoiler: Chapter 257 leaks

bastard, almost had me for a second there.

 

[Giannysmag]

based.

Physics>>chemistry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Biology

bastard, almost had me for a second there.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Most likely true, that or Mai and Maki's mom is decended from Yorozu's clan. Since we know CT are inherited that's the only real means for the techinque to be shared

I disagree, because I don't think it's the actual same technique

So they have the same name and they have the same result, but the effect is different. First of all, Yorozu does it through the liquid metal, while Mai doesn't. Secondly when Yorozu constructs stuff it looks like this:



While Mai's construction effects look like this, and the effect is kinda pixelated:


Inherited cursed techniques have effects that look identical, like projection sorcery

 

[Sir_sun_man]

 

[Giannysmag]

 

[Duedate8898]

I disagree, because I don't think it's the actual same technique

So they have the same name and they have the same result, but the effect is different. First of all, Yorozu does it through the liquid metal, while Mai doesn't. Secondly when Yorozu constructs stuff it looks like this:



While Mai's construction effects look like this, and the effect is kinda pixelated:


Inherited cursed techniques have effects that look identical, like projection sorcery

Yorozu uses liquid metal because she's smarter than Mai and because she's better built for Cursed Energy. That's not really a knock against them being related since Mai is explicity a stunted sorcerer and Yorozu creates the liquid metal with her ct then manipulates it to further create constructs to cut down on the shit efficiency of construction.

And finally, we do see that pixel effect with Yorozu. In fact, we see it in a situation just like when Mai creates the SSK. When Yorozu creates Supreme Martial Solution for Sukuna.

 

[Arkenis]

Inherited cursed techniques have effects that look identical, like projection sorcery

Nothing says the ct is always identical though no? It could be that construction tech has different appearances. Also it says she developed the liquid metal meaning she just uses that metal to make stuff. Mai's just less skilled is all

 

[Rosa]

I disagree, because I don't think it's the actual same technique

So they have the same name and they have the same result, but the effect is different. First of all, Yorozu does it through the liquid metal, while Mai doesn't. Secondly when Yorozu constructs stuff it looks like this:



While Mai's construction effects look like this, and the effect is kinda pixelated:


Inherited cursed techniques have effects that look identical, like projection sorcery

Yorozu's creation is also pixelated when she created a cursed tool

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

NGL I concede on this because I forgot about that one panel

Yorozu's creation is also pixelated when she created a cursed tool

stop sending shit like that, send it in imgur

 

[Sir_sun_man]

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Rereading the Higuruma fight... and what the f*ck

Why the f&ck is Yuji able to block and react to Higuruma without cursed energy!?!? Also he's able to counter almost perfectly and even damage him. NGL cursed energy might be like a miniscule amp for Yuji

 

[Arkenis]

Rereading the Higuruma fight... and what the f*ck

Why the f&ck is Yuji able to block and react to Higuruma without cursed energy!?!? Also he's able to counter almost perfectly and even damage him. NGL cursed energy might be like a miniscule amp for Yuji

Nah he's impressive to Choso with his control, it definitely amps him. And Yuji was made to physically strong by Kenjaku so that is why. Likely heavenly restriction

 

[Giannysmag]

Rereading the Higuruma fight... and what the f*ck

Why the f&ck is Yuji able to block and react to Higuruma without cursed energy!?!? Also he's able to counter almost perfectly and even damage him. NGL cursed energy might be like a miniscule amp for Yuji

It's almost like the guy thats been stated over and over to be really strong even without CE reinforcement is actually really strong even without CE reinforcement

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Nah he's impressive to Choso with his control, it definitely amps him. And Yuji was made to physically strong by Kenjaku so that is why. Likely heavenly restriction

Yeah but like, this is still in the culling game. Yuji isn't that crazy physically compared to grade 1 sorcerers, yet without cursed energy here in the culling game he can perfectly match and block ones. It makes little sense that his performance against a grade 1 is this good

It's almost like the guy thats been stated over and over to be really strong even without CE reinforcement is actually really strong even without CE reinforcement

He was never portrayed as THIS strong without cursed energy reinforcement, to be grade 1 sorcerer level without even amping himself with CE

 

[Sir_sun_man]

He was never portrayed as THIS strong without cursed energy reinforcement, to be grade 1 sorcerer level without even amping himself with CE

Higaruma took away all that CE, giving yuji a heavenly restriction for a bit, TRUST!

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yorozu uses liquid metal because she's smarter than Mai and because she's better built for Cursed Energy. That's not really a knock against them being related since Mai is explicity a stunted sorcerer and Yorozu creates the liquid metal with her ct then manipulates it to further create constructs to cut down on the shit efficiency of construction.

And finally, we do see that pixel effect with Yorozu. In fact, we see it in a situation just like when Mai creates the SSK. When Yorozu creates Supreme Martial Solution for Sukuna.

Kamutoke

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Higaruma took away all that CE, giving yuji a heavenly restriction for a bit, TRUST!

lol. If they explained something like this, it would make more sense.

Also who the **** else does Yuji fight in the Culling Games? because this is definitely stronger than he is before without CE

 

[Arkenis]

Yuji's similar to Ichigo in that he was made/developed to become very strong by Kenjaku like Aizen did to Ichigo. I wouldn't be surprised if Yuji has heavenly restriction considering his curse energy levels are low, yet his physicals are high and Kenjaku basically says he adjusted his brain for strength as a vessel.

Kenjaku deadass was tryna make the ultimate sorcerer Heavenly restriction + strength as a vessel + ingesting Sukuna + being a descendent of Sukuna + being an mc + being chosen by the black flash god + being an Itadori (Ainu clan) + being a cursed womb object sibling.

Yuji was made to be HIM

 

[Arkenis]

Also who the **** else does Yuji fight in the Culling Games? because this is definitely stronger than he is before without CE

That flying girl (beat her with a rock) and that helicopter guy

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Rereading:

Is this a supersonic feat for Kenjaku? Or does it mean that Kenjaku is subsonic but he can put all his CE to speed in short intervals, allowing him to move close to PB's speed in short intervals, but only reacting fully after PB moves several meters??

Also this one:


Because now that I think about it, this second interpretation maintains consistency with people being subsonic, as they can probably do this to react to say, bullets, but consistently while fighting h2h they're only ever moving subsonic which is why they get blitzed by someone who's combat speed is way faster into subsonic.

Thinking about it, this might be consistent with examples like Kamo. Maybe this isn't inconsistent panneling, but rather he can temporarily use CE to give himself nigh supersonic speeds, but it took him like several tens of meters to react to Cursed Spirit Naoya to activate it, maintaining him as a subsonic character:

 

[Arkenis]

Rereading:

Is this a supersonic feat for Kenjaku? Or does it mean that Kenjaku is subsonic but he can put all his CE to speed in short intervals, allowing him to move close to PB's speed in short intervals, but only reacting fully after PB moves several meters??

Also this one:


Because now that I think about it, this second interpretation maintains consistency with people being subsonic, as they can probably do this to react to say, bullets, but consistently while fighting h2h they're only ever moving subsonic which is why they get blitzed by someone who's combat speed is way faster into subsonic.

Thinking about it, this might be consistent with examples like Kamo. Maybe this isn't inconsistent panneling, but rather he can temporarily use CE to give himself nigh supersonic speeds, but it took him like several tens of meters to react to Cursed Spirit Naoya to activate it, maintaining him as a subsonic character:

I believe both were calced to supersonic but one was rejected due to the perspective?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I believe both were calced to supersonic but one was rejected due to the perspective?

I'm saying like worst case scenario, this could explain how he can dodge it at close range while being subsonic.

He just amps himself to temporarily nigh-PB speed while having subsonic combat speeds. Considering this, I probably downgrade my personal scaling of JJK characters' speeds to like superhuman+ to around 100 m/s subsonic combat speeds for the top tiers, with only people like Sukuna or Gojo reaching Supersonic speeds and Mach 3 Naoya as a god tier, which can only be tagged by his predictable straight-line, no maneuverability, low reactions and combat speed but high attack speed movement.

I'd say superhuman grade 1s is consistent with the .01 second delay shit, and consistent with the buds from Hanami being around 55 m/s using the .01s timeframe

In fact, I'd say it's possible mach 3 > Sukuna and Gojo's combat speed

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Also who the **** else does Yuji fight in the Culling Games? because this is definitely stronger than he is before without CE

chopper cut and jet due