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I never understood feats like that. Are we implying Nanami is faster than Mahito?the problem here is that even if we use rate the characters supersonic there are feats who easily surpass that (Nanami dodging Mahito for example)
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I never understood feats like that. Are we implying Nanami is faster than Mahito?the problem here is that even if we use rate the characters supersonic there are feats who easily surpass that (Nanami dodging Mahito for example)
????I never understood feats like that. Are we implying Nanami is faster than Mahito?
For Nanami to dodge Mahito point blank would he not need to be faster than him? The only way this feat makes sense is if it's only a reaction time feat or were you talking about something else?????
yesYou mean that slashing attack?
He didn't use that on Nanami
yes he used, it's the same attack, look at this shape, and then look at his left armHe didn't use that on Nanami
Oh ok you're right it's the same move just in different number. So what does that have to do with speed?yes he used, it's the same attack, look at this shape, and then look at his left arm
Um ok I don't get what this has to do with Yuji being transonicthat they don't need to be faster than Mahito to dodge it
hmmm, that this feat of Nanami is easily more than transonic?Um ok I don't get what this has to do with Yuji being transonic
Has it been calculated? Also we have literal statements and showings from Yuji that a transonic attack is hard to dodge.hmmm, that this feat of Nanami is easily more than transonic?
well, it has but i'm not sure on the result and i don't have the link eitherHas it been calculated?
That and statements and stuff from the show.so it literally just comes down to the feats being calculated huh?
well, it has but i'm not sure on the result and i don't have the link either
This is really simple but the piercing blood can reach the speed of sound not that it's max speed is sos. So to make Maki's bullet catching and perception feat and Yujis's agility statement about him being faster than her from Hanami be consistent and upscale others we should say that choso's piercing blood is faster than the base of sos. There's also just the fact that multiple characters via scaling are faster or can outright blitz Maki and Yuji goodwill versions.Personally, and I repeat personally not necessarily fact/objective or proven truth, I do actually think there is merit in looking at Yuuji barely dodging a speed-of-sound attack. It appears more credible to take the attack speed listed in the series and a character statement and then later feat, than to fiddle around with pixel scaling to arrive at inflated values.
Having firearms be valid for use against shamans and curses also makes this more credible. Even the original explanation of curse threat levels included firearms. If Yuuji who is superior in speed to Maki, states that he can barely dodge an attack that is speed-of-sound, and Maki herself is considered pretty exceptional when it comes to physical stats, then I think it is fair to say that most characters in the verse are supersonic or lower.
This is just my opinion and how I interpret the evidence.
I personally don’t agree with that Primarily via scaling.Personally, and I repeat personally not necessarily fact/objective or proven truth, I do actually think there is merit in looking at Yuuji barely dodging a speed-of-sound attack. It appears more credible to take the attack speed listed in the series and a character statement and then later feat, than to fiddle around with pixel scaling to arrive at inflated values.
Having firearms be valid for use against shamans and curses also makes this more credible. Even the original explanation of curse threat levels included firearms. If Yuuji who is superior in speed to Maki, states that he can barely dodge an attack that is speed-of-sound, and Maki herself is considered pretty exceptional when it comes to physical stats, then I think it is fair to say that most characters in the verse are supersonic or lower.
This is just my opinion and how I interpret the evidence.
NiceI personally don’t agree with that Primarily via scaling.
Lots of characters are superior to and can debatably blitz Maki(Pretty sure Jogo could blitz her before she could react)
It’s not like Maki is some unrivaled god tier in the verse physically however she isn’t a joke.
So I don’t think most shamans are gonna become subsonic+ because of this.
Btw @Ped2018 I found the Kento dodge calc
I disagree with this. I do not think that it makes sense to assume an attack stated to be capable of reaching the speed of sound, is faster than sound, at least not by any appreciable margin. If someone where to say that Bears can reach up to 35 mph, I am not going assume they are using that as a minimum or even average. The phrasing suggests that it is at or near the upper limit.This is really simple but the piercing blood can reach the speed of sound not that it's max speed is sos. So to make Maki's bullet catching and perception feat and Yujis's agility statement about him being faster than her from Hanami be consistent and upscale others we should say that choso's piercing blood is faster than the base of sos. There's also just the fact that multiple characters via scaling are faster or can outright blitz Maki and Yuji goodwill versions.
To be fair the Maki who was defeated by Jogo was both injured and fatigued, but also caught by surprised which is different than being blitzed while on guard.I personally don’t agree with that Primarily via scaling.
Lots of characters are superior to and can debatably blitz Maki(Pretty sure Jogo could blitz her before she could react)
It’s not like Maki is some unrivaled god tier in the verse physically however she isn’t a joke.
So I don’t think most shamans are gonna become subsonic+ because of this.
Btw @Ped2018 I found the Kento dodge calc
If he had MHS + in combat speed rather than reaction, would he have to wait for the attack to reach his face?I would like to mention that Yuji not only dodges the speed of sound attack, but is shown to do so at the very last second.
That's really more so a dramatic showing of the feat, same with the maki catching a bullet. And also it is yuji's first time fighting against it he doesn't know how fast or how it's gonna work. And again this technique is enhanced through curse energy it can be amped or slowed down depending on the curse energy put in to it.If he had MHS + in combat speed rather than reaction, would he have to wait for the attack to reach his face?
That's why I said we either don't use it or scale it purely for Nanami's reaction since it makes no sense other wise by implying Nanami is faster than Mahito but somehow scales to or somewhat down to him.Idk man you'd have to call that Kento feat an outlier then and idk if it is or isn't. The calcs weird altogether though, considering the projectile is Mahito swinging his long arm like a sword and it's speed is subsonic+ yet Kento dodges it then proceeds to fight Mahito would mean Mahito just scales to that calc even though it's saying Mahito swung at subsonic+ but just before can keep up with both of them.
It doesn't really matter if it's his first time. A projectile coming at you at the speed of a snail won't surprise you unless you don't see it till it's point blank. Assuming Yuji was MHS+ he would've dodged the attack without getting scratched and wouldn't have had such a hard time.That's really more so a dramatic showing of the feat, same with the maki catching a bullet. And also it is yuji's first time fighting against it he doesn't know how fast or how it's gonna work. And again this technique is enhanced through curse energy it can be amped or slowed down depending on the curse energy put in to it.
I think at the very least most high tiers during the goodwill arc are Hypersonic to Hypersonic+ since Yuji>Maki.
Now if we use that Kento calc that means most first grade sorcerers and special grade curses are all mhs to mhs+. Which I think is fine
Hmmm, i kinda agree with you, but i think this Nanami feat needs to be recalcedObviously, the characters have a supersonic-hypersonic combat speed. Everything. And there is no need to calculate Nanami's speed from MHS +++ hits by Mahito, when this Nanami is equal in speed to Mahito. It's a ******* scalling ring.
what about low 7-C origin of obedience finger bearer’s calcMechamaru's calc? Even though he didn't fully destroy the trees present so I'm not sure about it.
Yuji's durability is fine I think
Because I always found Small Town Busting Cave vaporization was kinda crazycrap, i forgot about that
Literally have no problem with saying Yuji is that fast, he does scale to the high tiers as of right now and also kept up with Todo and Mahito. I think to discredit the amount of scaling since the good will arc just because piercing blood is explicitly said to reach the speed of sound and not that it is only capable of reaching the speed of sound. This would mean Maki who can move her hand at hhs and then Yuji scales above her and then people scale above yuji and so on instead of ignoring this, we should use this Choso can just amplify the speed of the piercing blood with curse energy unless we all just think Maki's feats an outlier. So basically using that sos statement for Choso and saying Yuji can just barely dodge it when that's only a sos attack yet his perception should be hhs at the very least for scaling above Maki.Do you understand that then it turns out that Yuji also has MHS +?