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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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EldemadeDityjon
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To be specific Curses who are natural born Instead of vengeance like Naoya & Rika.
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Well, If curses without soul are real I think Gege would have explained It with details instead of creating so many contradictions
EldemadeDityjon
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Should we clear up Gojos Wins & Loses in his profile? Currently he has a different rating so
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Nothing here even remotely states anything about power output differences, the whole explanation is centered around application and precision. Hell, even the whole explanation of "electricity" to "electrical appliances" let’s take all three of the example appliances in the panel, a microwave, a hair drier and a vacuum cleaner would you say any one of them has a superior power output to the electricity poured into them to make them work? you could have a point with a microwave but it is more related to the actual application of microwaves themselves as it is radiation and less pure power like an electrical voltage. Unless a CT is outright stated to be able to push out more power and have higher output than regular CE use the difference in a CT would be its application, say ratio which creates weak spots allowing for 120% the damage output of regular CE strikes
eh we don't know if dismantle does have a varying output all we know about it is this
https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjktcb_119_01.jpg
dismantle is a default attack it doesn't seem to have different levels of output, while cleave is outright stated to be the one used to cut down the enemy in one fell swoop something that happens to Ryu.
not stated to be the same, they are stated to be the same in power, but more than likely different in applicationYes but we already have Max Uzumaki, Rika who can fire CE blasts like Ryu
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Ngl I hate that bitch. If It wasnt for the statement about her/him being more durable I could easly put Jogoat above Kenjaku in raw CEWhat character do yall think is seriously underrated in terms of powerscaling?
For me its definitely Hanami. She gets overshadowed hard by Jogo and Mahito but she is also a monster. Obviously she is really durable (above both Jogo and Curse Naoya) but she also has ludicrous endurance, being able to take five black flashes from a guy who's normal punches where already enough to hurt her. Her cursed technique has the AP to seriously damage herself and she has access to techniques like the flower field that stuns people, buds that drain CE, domain expansion and domain amplification (along with only like 3 other people in the verse)
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The highest in history would include Sukuna too
Depends on the CT and if it is outright stated that it has higher output
considering that both yuta and Ryu where able to stop those blasts with their bare hands and where outputing similar levels of damage to one another through CQC
Again dependant on the CT and if its outright stated that the CT has higher output
Ryu was never hit directly by her blasts and was able to push out more damage with one of his punches to Rika than his blasts did which would also apply to the CT output being similar to CE output again only different application and precision
I disagree
EldemadeDityjon
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It doesn't matter. Gojos CE blasts < His CT.
There are different types of CT so it depends nonetheless not all characters fires CE blast. Narrator clearly mentioned CE blasts output Ryu has highest output not for anything else. Characters with good Reinforcement and striking Power like Rika can literally content with Ryus output.
Megumi reducing CT Output of Dismantle Cough cough
Why are you repeating what I said?
Funny thing in that same I heard bullshit Kenjaku says Sukuna was the strongest and it's undisputable.
No author spoon feeds everything. If CE blast is more better than CT output character would spam that like Rika & max Uzumaki. Not all characters are like that So AP differs
This just proves my point.
CE blast output has nothing to do with CE output.
Yeah depends on CT doesn't mean every character uses Cursed Energy blast.
Uraume CT is not based on Cursed Energy blast like Rika and Uzumaki. You can only argue for Ryus Output being higher based on Characters with CE blast not for everyone who has CT.
Ryu hit with his own blast which was stronger than Rikas Blast Narrative statement. Idk where I mentioned Ryu got hit with Rikas Blast?
EldemadeDityjon
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Ryu > 20F Sukuna ~ Gojo fr
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not the argument
EldemadeDityjon
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Highest CE output = AP right
20F Sukuna ~ Gojo
So Ryus AP Should scale to them
Your own words
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Yeah cuse gojos CT is pure hax, push and pull and outright matter/void manipulation of course it will have different effects.
yeah CTs are all about application and manipulation, most of the time their power is lesser than CE output funnily enough
Yuta and rika were able to contend with his CT and CE output due to their unnaturally high CE reserves hell even Ryu points it out for us.
he was reducing everything not just CT output but output as a whole as well as movementMegumi reducing CT Output of Dismantle Cough cough
It is well known that both TCB and VIZ ****** that translation up big time, hence why we don't scale maki to sukuna in speed since the body movement was also effected which both translations fail to acccount for and hell even if we go by the Viz translation which you count as more official (even if its pretty bad) it specifically states that his CE output is hampered not his CT output so moot point.
sukuna not having the highest output ever doesn't mean he isn't the strongest.
CT's are not purely AP its about their usefullness and overall effectiveness in combat, Hell would you say that Naobito would just flat out stop using projection sorcery if he could use something akin to a CE blast (which btw not every character can use in the first place)? no and even if he could use both he'd still stick to projection sorcery since not everyone has infinite CE pools.
no it means they are in the same ball park my man, if a character can hit you with a blast of energy that rips you up and then proceeds to use that same energy to impower themselves to dish out similar if not greater levels of damage that means that the two abilities are quite comperable.
considering that CE blasts are entirely reliant on CE in the first place, ya know that same CE used to impower and provide higher striking power output it would scale to almost everyone.
"Ryu blasts were stringer than Rikas blasts but Rika physicals were stronger than that CE blast." the thing isn't that you said he was hit it was that you where compering said things my good man.
EldemadeDityjon
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Gojos profile is outdated and has no scans for few abilities. AP section is shit. So here is the replacement Big Thanks to @SunDaGamer for helping me with this Sandbox Current Gojos Profile Updated Sandbox Additional Scaling for other characters Please don't discuss on who wins or loses...
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yeah AP wise
not durability wise
not speed wise
not hax wise
not endurance wise
His whole shtick is big AP go boom, his other stats on the other hand are shit in comperison to gojo and sukuna who both have a similar if lower output but literally have all of their other stats dwarfing Ryu by a country mile
EldemadeDityjon
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Make a thread I'm done arguing. i already repeated the same multiple times arguments are repeating. I don't want to go in circles. Let's see how many would agree with Ryu AP > Sukuna & Gojo
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Depends on the translation (still need to go through raws proper), Viz says his output is not impressive while TCB says it "isn't that bad"
Plus Rikas blast is said to be slightly weaker than Ryu's in output
EldemadeDityjon
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Yeah funny Ryu blasts were Tanked By Yuta while Yuta couldn't even tank an attack from Gojo and had to puke.
https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://cdn.****************.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_231_002.png
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I care not for popular opinion, I only care for what is actually written.
EldemadeDityjon
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I'm not suggesting you to care. I was talking about your misinterpretation getting accepted in the wiki.
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yeah cuse its hax my man, its not pure power.
and then again the one time yuta was hit by a granite blast at point blank his arm got shredded.
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well that is for later CRT, again I want the actual statements in the seriouse to be properly understood instead of being thrown to the side for no reason
EldemadeDityjon
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I have plans but JJK AP & Speed calculation gets changed occasionally. So it's kinda problem now
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why? anime is a secondary source since Gege is overseeing it and the scene doesn't contradict anything since we have a cut in the middle of the father son bout that leave a lot of things up in the air
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If Milly CRT get accepted, I will post the calc. But until then, meh
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What do you even mean here?
We agreed that the vast majority of Jogo feats can't be used because they contradict the primary source due to the damage caused to shibuya, The rabbit speed feat contradicts exactly nothing.
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Hax bypasses physical stats, if Blue was hax then Yuta would've been eviscerated
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depends on the hax, not every single ability just outright negates durability, gravity manipulation for example doesn't just outright eviscerate somebody of a comparable durability and AP to its actual power, similar but different thing applies here
Due to how blue works it creates a negative space where ever its deployed creating a pulling effect that pulls everything into its radius and with Gojo basically gut punching Yuta and Hakari (cuse you'd not be vomiting from a jab to the jaw) their inside would be experiencing a lot of movement towards Gojo’s fists and at the moment of impact it would create a sudden stop with the counter force of the punch, causing their insides to move quite a bit and I hope I don't need to explain why that would cause you to throw up.
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Any chance I can get a link to that?
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That's not hax, that's just punching harder with extra steps
EldemadeDityjon
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AP , Durability and Striking strength should be rewritten. I don't know how to put the explanation. Can you update them? Reasoning is Rika Scaling to JJK0 Gojo. Kenjaku scaling to Geto in Physicals.
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Gojos profile is outdated and has no scans for few abilities. AP section is shit. So here is the replacement Big Thanks to @SunDaGamer for helping me with this Sandbox Current Gojos Profile Updated Sandbox Additional Scaling for other characters Please don't discuss on who wins or loses...
Current AP Justification sucks for them rewrite it please. I'm not good with English that much i might make mistakes.
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ah yes because punching harder includes you creating a literal negative space that crates a black hole like effect sucking in literally everything around you.
Would you also then count blue itself as not a hax what so ever?
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Blue isn't hax, it's just physics manip being used to punch harder, in order for an ability to be hax it has to bypass a physical stat to some capacity which Blue doesn't
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Ironically enough this joke video unironicly shows just exactly that lol
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This
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It just increases the force of the punch. Imagine someone punching at you while you're also getting pushed into the punch as well.
