Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[EldemadeDityjon]

Dropping Mahito vs Jogo topic
I think jogo was still holding back against Naobita, Nobara and Nanami look at the attacks he had done. His attacks varied depending on characters. He killed stronger Opponents like Naobito meanwhile Couldn't kill Nanami who was weaker than Nanami.

 

[Giannysmag]

Dropping Mahito vs Jogo topic
I think jogo was still holding back against Naobita, Nobara and Nanami look at the attacks he had done. His attacks varied depending on characters. He killed stronger Opponents like Naobito meanwhile Couldn't kill Nanami who was weaker than Nanami.

I thought it was pretty obvious he didn't use his full AP against Nanami and Maki

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I thought it was pretty obvious he didn't use his full AP against Nanami and Maki

Yeah I'm trying to say if others also agrees I'm gonna make a CRT to upgrade Jogos speed relative to Naobita Max speed atleast.

 

[Giannysmag]

Yeah I'm trying to say if others also agrees I'm gonna make a CRT to upgrade Jogos speed relative to Naobita Max speed atleast.

I think that's fine, he perception blitzes two Subsonic+ characters anyway. Though i am also planning on making a CRT to have this blog accepted so if you want i can get done with that first

 

[SunDaGamer]

Also its good how episode shown that Naobita was stacking up speed just like Noaya if you clearly re-watch it you will know. I'm not sure if we can grant Jogo Transonic combat speed?

Naobito's top speed should be Supersonic, not Transonic. I'm not sure if we could use the ratio of distances travelled between Jogo and Naobito using a speed value for Naobito

 

[Arkenis]

Also its good how episode shown that Naobita was stacking up speed just like Noaya if you clearly re-watch it you will know. I'm not sure if we can grant Jogo Transonic combat speed?

Did Jogo keep up with two arm Naobito? If not then that doesn't really make sense. He's probably on par with Naobito's speed but nothing suggest its the max speed he's on par with so him being higher than subsonic+ doesn't follow.

Naobito's top speed should be Supersonic, not Transonic. I'm not sure if we could use the ratio of distances travelled between Jogo and Naobito using a speed value for Naobito

True. Not sure what the second half means but no reason to make it slightly complicated here, Jogo can keep up with Naobito is all so he's subsonic+.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Did Jogo keep up with two arm Naobito? If not then that doesn't really make sense. He's probably on par with Naobito's speed but nothing suggest its the max speed he's on par with so him being higher than subsonic+ doesn't follow.

Naobita ran around just like how Naoya was stacking speed against maki
Anime also skipped the statement for two hand bullshit.

This Explanation for projection sorcery was added in previous episode it didn't had any thing for 2 hands amping any speed
https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/111.0/compressed/o012.jpg

Naobito's top speed should be Supersonic, not Transonic. I'm not sure if we could use the ratio of distances travelled between Jogo and Naobito using a speed value for Naobito

How? Naoya surpassed Subsonic speed that would be supersonic though.

 

[Arkenis]

Naobita ran around just like how Naoya was stacking speed against maki
Anime also skipped the statement for two hand bullshit.

This Explanation for projection sorcery was added in previous episode it didn't had any thing for 2 hands amping any speed

That doesn't matter, The source material tells us Naobito wasn't the fastest post losing an arm so Jogo can't scale to that Naobito. And stacking speed doesn't matter either, what makes Naobito and Naoya supersonic is their max speed from stacking, not stacking.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That doesn't matter, The source material tells us Naobito wasn't the fastest post losing an arm so Jogo can't scale to that Naobito.

Source material didn't say anything about losing arm reducing Naobito speed. It explained about how Projection Sorcerery works and how Naboita with his skills become the fastest Sorcerer with his speed and CT. If I have to say Naobito not having a hand just give a disadvantage in touching the opponent and freezing them.
https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/111.0/compressed/o012.jpg
Even Fanbook never states anything about 2 hands amping Naobito speed.

By dividing 1 second into 24 parts, his visibility becomes a 24 panels. By moving in advance, he can create a hit in certain point of the anime panel. After that, he traces the movement with high speed. Both the sorcerer himself and the object touches by the sorcerer must be made into 1/24 second for the movement to be projected, but if a failure to happen, freeze will happen for 1 second. For enemy who doesn’t know this technique, in order to freeze them with high chance, if the sorcerer hit the panel successfully, it will feel like 1 second has passed. With this technique, Naobito can perform super speed action, that he is called as the fastest sorcerer.

I don't see Naobito getting frozen by his own technique if his speed was reduced he would have frozen by that shit because of not being able to perform the high speed moments.
Naobito even had his technique active when moving.

And stacking speed doesn't matter either, what makes Naobito and Naoya supersonic is their max speed from stacking, not stacking.

?? You know this is Contradicting.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Source material didn't say anything about losing arm reducing Naobito speed. It explained about how Projection Sorcerery works and how Naboita with his skills become the fastest Sorcerer with his speed and CT. If I have to say Naobito not having a hand just give a disadvantage in touching the opponent and freezing them.
https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/111.0/compressed/o012.jpg

As your scan says

"However, that was when..."

You can at best say that Jogo > Naobito's reaction speed

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

As your scan says

"However, that was when..."

You can at best say that Jogo > Naobito's reaction speed

I'm not arguing for Jogo speed > Naobita. Naobito obviously has better travel speed. Jogo perception and reaction speed was able to keep up with every angle Naobita jumped around and started the final attack. I'm just arguing for combat & reaction speed for Jogo.

Also I'm saying disadvantage happened to Naobita as he can't freeze his opponent not downgrading his speed.

Source material didn't say anything about losing arm reducing Naobito speed. It explained about how Projection Sorcerery works and how Naboita with his skills become the fastest Sorcerer with his speed and CT.

If I have to say Naobito not having a hand just give a disadvantage in touching the opponent and freezing them.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I'm not arguing for Jogo speed Blizting Naobita. Naobito obviously has better travel speed. Jogo perception and reaction speed was able to keep up with every angle Naobita jumped around and started the final attack. I'm just arguing for combat & reaction speed for Jogo.

Naobito's reaction isnt equal to his CT speed tho. He is only capable to use propely his own power thanks to his senses of strategic framing and timing

 

[Arkenis]

?? You know this is Contradicting.

I'll explain, their max speed is from them reaching a point where they can't keep stacking as their body has a limit to the acceleration of the ct on activation. So without us knowing if Naobito went max speed against Jogo there's nothing to assume Jogo would scale to transonic or supersonic.

LOK posted it but yeah Naobito was only the fastest when he had two arms, now he's not, so sure Jogo scales but to a slower Naobito. Its that simple.

 

[Duedate8898]

Naobito's reaction isnt equal to his CT speed tho. He is only capable to use propely his own power thanks to his senses of strategic framing and timing

That would still rely on his reactions. Especially since he has to account for how his opponent might move, actively follow the path he lays out, and attacks and performs his cursed technique while using his cursed technique. His CT not amping his reaction speed would mean that his reaction speed is already at the level required to utilize his cursed technique even at its higher speeds.

 

[Dr._whiteee]

Yeah that databook makes it clear that Naobito had to also amp his own speed to maximize the technique.

 

[SunDaGamer]

That would still rely on his reactions. Especially since he has to account for how his opponent might move, actively follow the path he lays out, and attacks and performs his cursed technique while using his cursed technique. His CT not amping his reaction speed would mean that his reaction speed is already at the level required to utilize his cursed technique even at its higher speeds.

Would his combat speed be equal to his reactions too?

 

[Duedate8898]

That would be the normal assumption since he is able to to attack at these high travel speeds, but arguing a separation hasn't really been successful in the past.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Damn, the anime added the detail of Naobito getting frozen and his frame being shattered immediately because Jogo interrupted his pre-determined course by intercepting him with his volcanoes

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Laser, pls don't kill me: Satoru Gojo vs Nero Sparda

To lazy to write a good story DMC4 Pre-DT Nero vs Old Satoru Gojo SBA, Speed equal and in-character Deadweight: The Ex-strongest sorcerer: oh no bro:

vsbattles.com

I'm going to put this here and leave slowly

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

@LaserPrecision I found another feat Similar to Chainsaw calculation. Can you try to calculate this also? I mean if it scales above 8-A/current calculations for Yuji.
Btw what happened to the other feat I sent regarding Sukuna punching Yuji across skyscraper?

https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/161.0/compressed/r20211002_180615_009.jpg
https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/161.0/compressed/r20211002_180615_010.jpg

 

[LaserPrecision]

@LaserPrecision I found another feat Similar to Chainsaw calculation. Can you try to calculate this also? I mean if it scales above 8-A/current calculations for Yuji.
Btw what happened to the other feat I sent regarding Sukuna punching Yuji across skyscraper?

https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/161.0/compressed/r20211002_180615_009.jpg
https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://zjcdn.********.me/store/manga/27861/161.0/compressed/r20211002_180615_010.jpg

I could but... judging from the second scan, the hole they're punching through the buildings are pretty small.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I could but... judging from the second scan, the hole they're punching through the buildings are pretty small.

May be because of impact was less when he hit second building? First Building seems to be got more Damaged from what I see.

 

[LaserPrecision]

May be because of impact was less when he hit second building? First Building seems to be got more Damaged from what I see.

I'll see. But if the results aren't noteworthy, I'll just let you know.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'll see. But if the results aren't noteworthy, I'll just let you know.

I don't have much hopes for this but I guess we can still use it as supporting calculation for the verse. Let me know whatever value it gets.

 

[Giannysmag]

Jujutsu Kaisen - Cursed Energy Enhances Speed

Currently the wiki recongnises cursed energy being able to enhances sorcerers AP and Durability but not their speed. This has led to some debates in several of the speed revisions for the verse, about whether or not CE enhances speed, so i gathered all the evidence proving so in this blog...

vsbattles.com

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Jujutsu Kaisen - Cursed Energy Enhances Speed

Currently the wiki recongnises cursed energy being able to enhances sorcerers AP and Durability but not their speed. This has led to some debates in several of the speed revisions for the verse, about whether or not CE enhances speed, so i gathered all the evidence proving so in this blog...

vsbattles.com

Someone should close Honored One thread it's already concluded.

 

[Tinodesu]

Btw I need someone credible to confirm that Gojo has reality warping, I have tried to explain that Spatial Manipulation is classified as reality warping according to vsb but they couldn't believe me, so I need someone credible to clarify this

 

[SunDaGamer]

Btw I need someone credible to confirm that Gojo has reality warping, I have tried to explain that Spatial Manipulation is classified as reality warping according to vsb but they couldn't believe me, so I need someone credible to clarify this

The ability to change reality into how the person in question sees fit, while ignoring the rules of science. Users can alter any item already considered real. Any decision made in the past, any item ever created, any movement, choice, color, atom, or molecule that exists can be changed. All of existence bends to the imagination of a reality warper. Users can rewrite the laws of physics and then change them back in an instant, universes can bend to the will of a reality warper. Examples include erasing things out of existence, granting wishes, creating universes, creating/altering matter, time manipulation, spatial manipulation, etc.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

 

[Tinodesu]

@Jayy

 

[Quantu]

Takaba > Kashimo, enough time has passed

 

[Giannysmag]

Takaba > Kashimo, enough time has passed

Preach brother, both in terms of powerscaling and writing

 

[Jayy]

@Jayy

elaborate

 

[Tinodesu]

elaborate

The ability to change reality into how the person in question sees fit, while ignoring the rules of science. Users can alter any item already considered real. Any decision made in the past, any item ever created, any movement, choice, color, atom, or molecule that exists can be changed. All of existence bends to the imagination of a reality warper. Users can rewrite the laws of physics and then change them back in an instant, universes can bend to the will of a reality warper. Examples include erasing things out of existence, granting wishes, creating universes, creating/altering matter, time manipulation, spatial manipulation, etc.

 

[Jayy]

So just by this explanation you conclude that Gojo has reality warping?

elaborate properly next time

 

[Tinodesu]

So just by this explanation you conclude that Gojo has reality warping?

elaborate properly next time

Ah, I see you're a master of jumping to conclusions. If only your reasoning matched your confidence, we might have a genius in the making.

 

[Nierre]

someone should get staff to look at the todo thread and close the honored ones thread

 

[Jayy]

Ah, I see you're a master of jumping to conclusions. If only your reasoning matched your confidence, we might have a genius in the making.

What are you yapping abt dude? i told you to elaborate properly. All you did was copy paste the explanation to Reality Warping

 

[Tinodesu]

What are you yapping abt dude? i told you to elaborate properly. All you did was copy paste the explanation to Reality Warping

Why don't you give your reasoning instead? For most of us, my explanation is enough to prove that Gojo has reality warping. You keep telling me to elaborate properly, but why would you think that would be a decent argument?

copy paste ≠ wrong

 

[Arkenis]

Btw I need someone credible to confirm that Gojo has reality warping, I have tried to explain that Spatial Manipulation is classified as reality warping according to vsb but they couldn't believe me, so I need someone credible to clarify this

Curse energy itself baasically warps reality already so yeah? And there is no "according to vsb" space is reality, messing with it is basically rw its just a specific aspect is all. But granting one reality warping as a whole is more about application and context for one's ability.