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Jotaro vs Denji (0-3-0)
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Would Plat even have to body block? I could get into the (Admittedly weird as **** because it's been only barely touched upon) stand physics involving body block and shit but instead of making weird analogies and stuff, wouldn't it be simpler to assume Plat skips that and just makes sure Denji never gets in close enough to strike Jotaro? Denji does have a pretty long reach with his saw arms, but Plat's manifestation+own reach should be enough to keep him a few feet away from Jotaro at most.
Plat could just do something like this too.
As long as he's a safe distance away, he can restrain (or just punch him away whenever he gets close) while making use of his intangibility to not have any of the retaliatory strikes land but still apply force and hold him down.
Of course, this doesn't matter if Denji's blood reserves are ******* massive or he can heal without blood, still dont know quite how that works.
Plat could just do something like this too.
As long as he's a safe distance away, he can restrain (or just punch him away whenever he gets close) while making use of his intangibility to not have any of the retaliatory strikes land but still apply force and hold him down.
Of course, this doesn't matter if Denji's blood reserves are ******* massive or he can heal without blood, still dont know quite how that works.
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We do know. He regenerated his entire body off of only the blood contained in his heart, which would be around 300 milliliters at most, and this was while it was actively being weakened. As I said at the beginning, lack of blood will never be a factor here , hell, it's likely that Chainsaw devil's hematopoietic system is fast enough to regenerate that amount of blood in seconds.
300 mls is about a small plastic-glass-full of blood
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TL;DR as a way to quantify how much stronger than the average, High 8-C+ demon the Darkness Devil is, the general sensation of the Darkness Devil being around is enough to drive fiends and demons completely crazy, be sure that they are all going to die to the point where they'd rather just kill themselves; he's described as being "transcendent" compared to normal devils, even ones as powerful as the Gun devil, who are already orders of magnitudes stronger than the average devil (the guy with the 7-C feat, btw)
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You don't seem to understand that CSD doesn't need to get through SP, he has all the time in the world and he can definitely just win the battle of attrition. Add to that the fact that CSD has ranged option in the form of his chains, which I guess should have a range of a few tens of metersl, the fact that SP simply can't bypass that regen (what's he gonna do with the LS advantage? tear his head off? tear his arms off? tear him in two?) and the fact that lack of blood would never come in play, and I have no idea how Jotaro is winning this even with time stop
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Although Jotaro as being quite intelligent could realize that there is no other option but to drain DC's blood.
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What indication would he have that CM even needs blood to regen? I know he has knowledge of vampires and blood, but he has no idea what CM is. Even if he were to assume CM is a vampire, he would sooner expose him to sunlight than do something far more tedious like draining his blood.
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Besides, you'd have to prove that he can even do that to begin with, sucking air is completely different from sucking blood out of a person's body.
And come on, be real. it's ridiculous, he'd never do it in a million years, y'all are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find wincons for Jotaro
And come on, be real. it's ridiculous, he'd never do it in a million years, y'all are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find wincons for Jotaro
Baken384
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He literally did it because it was right for the situation. The dude is gifted, he will come up of a plan by using whatever Star Platinum has in his kit, even phasing if he realizes the usual Ora Oras aren't working.
Ima just give Jotaro's Time stop here since apparently Denji here has godly regen so that's fair.
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Sweet! Jotaro has his time stop! BTW, I'm going to retract my vote for Chainsaw Devil, for now, since Jotaro getting time stop is a small game changer... I will wait for Jojo Supporters to come on by, and possibly give their two cents, and hopefully will see enough reason to give a vote to Jotaro.
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Even with timestop, would he even be able to destroy Denji’s body so badly that he can’t regen?
Jibz
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So he just stops time, grabs the heart and squeezes it like a vice? If so what could Denji possibly do now
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Wait, wait, wait! If Jotaro only needed to destroy Denji's heart, he didn't need timestop in the first place! Okay, can somebody explain Chainsaw Devil's regen and how it works? I've been getting conflicting information, and now it is getting annoying.
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Here is CM regenerating from just his heart. In order to kill him permanently you need to destroy his heart. Devils need blood to regenerate but as stated before, CM is built different and does not require as much blood as other Devils to regenerate. Uhh, I can also pull up scans of how much blood he can bleed without running out of stamina, but it's like 2 whole chapters of him being cut up, sliced, and impaled so you can just read it yourself if you want proof. It's around Chapter 88 onwards.
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Thx! Okay, if Jotaro only needed to destroy the heart... Then, why wasn't this mentioned earlier!? To me, and probably others, it seemed Denji had a regeneration ability that Jotaro couldn't overcome and allowed Denji to have a win-con for the sole reason that he can possibly outlast Jotaro to the point that he can't maintain Star Plat anymore and just kill him then.
... Okay, this is starting to sound like DIO vs Alucard.
... Okay, this is starting to sound like DIO vs Alucard.
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it's never stated or even implied that destroying the heart would kill him, actually, there are multiple instances of him being stabbed through the middle of the chest and being fine; it's just a matter of "if you take out the heart Denji and the Devil are separated".
Jotaro doesn't do phase-heart crush in-character not even against people he's desperate to kill, so no, he won't do it, and he doesn't have the AP to donut CSD, so I don't see how it would change anything even if it were the case.
Time stop changes nothing ultimately, given the AP, the most damage he can do during stopped time is a few broken bones or some torn limbs at max, which is baby work of his regen.
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He also really has no reason to expect the heart to matter, since the only regen-ing being he knows of has the brain as a weak spot. Kinda. Not really, but it's the closest thing.
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... Doesn't this make this match a huge mismatch, then!? If Jotaro has no win-cons - since according to you, TS doesn't help, SP doesn't have the AP, and Jotaro will eventually run out of gas to maintain SP, then, then... I am pretty sure this is grounds for declaring this match a STOMP cuz of everything you've said in favor of Denji. Jotaro has no win conditions, all of his advantages are moot cuz of Chainsaw Devil's immortality and regeneration guarantee it.
... Okay, anybody else agrees with me?
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I'm seeing this as a stomp match simply because of the fact that Chainsaw Devil's regen makes this one-sided towards him, and doesn't allow Jotaro a single win condition, even giving time stop and removing speed equal isn't going SP to bypass regen and immorality. This is even disregarding the scaling chain that I am still somewhat confused about for CD and Jotaro.
IMO, Jotaro doesn't have a win-con that isn't reliable for him since Chainsaw Devil's regen doesn't have a limit, doesn't have any winning moves since the heart thing mentioned probably doesn't apply to Denji in his Chainsaw Devil key, nor does he have anything that can give him the upper hand that doesn't end up being moot. I.E, the things that are common examples of a decisive/non-stomp match.
IMO, Jotaro doesn't have a win-con that isn't reliable for him since Chainsaw Devil's regen doesn't have a limit, doesn't have any winning moves since the heart thing mentioned probably doesn't apply to Denji in his Chainsaw Devil key, nor does he have anything that can give him the upper hand that doesn't end up being moot. I.E, the things that are common examples of a decisive/non-stomp match.
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If Jotaro has time stop, he low key stomps, a million blows for free is gonna add up, especially when he can just do it again before Denji can even think of regenerating.
Especially when it comes to power types who usually aim for the chest or head (Hell Jotaro was even goaded once to blow out someone's chest, he doesn't bevcause he never actually went for killing blows inherently except against Dio but I doubt that's a issue when it comes to literal hellspawn).
If he's fighting a dude who keeps regenerating, all he's gonna do is stop time and try to inflict so much damage to the point he can't regen, like against Nukesaku where he said he'd slice him into bits even if he was immortal. Jotaro would figure out fast that the brain isn't the weak point, and from there, it'd just be a matter of trying to turn him into mush or something, peak Jotaro not having the nuisance of a cooldown helps given, well literally free hits.
Unless we're assuming that a pissed off prime Jotaro punching a dude a million times when said foe can't do anything about it without holding back so as not to kill, and then doing that like five times in a row because time stop and not allowing him to regen, would somehow still not put Denji into a state where he's ******. A million hits is as much as 100000 tens, and that's a lot of c̵a̵k̵e̵s̵ hits.
Especially when it comes to power types who usually aim for the chest or head (Hell Jotaro was even goaded once to blow out someone's chest, he doesn't bevcause he never actually went for killing blows inherently except against Dio but I doubt that's a issue when it comes to literal hellspawn).
If he's fighting a dude who keeps regenerating, all he's gonna do is stop time and try to inflict so much damage to the point he can't regen, like against Nukesaku where he said he'd slice him into bits even if he was immortal. Jotaro would figure out fast that the brain isn't the weak point, and from there, it'd just be a matter of trying to turn him into mush or something, peak Jotaro not having the nuisance of a cooldown helps given, well literally free hits.
Unless we're assuming that a pissed off prime Jotaro punching a dude a million times when said foe can't do anything about it without holding back so as not to kill, and then doing that like five times in a row because time stop and not allowing him to regen, would somehow still not put Denji into a state where he's ******. A million hits is as much as 100000 tens, and that's a lot of c̵a̵k̵e̵s̵ hits.
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Jotaro's not stupid, infact he's crazy smart when it comes to fighting. After he realises none of his attacks are working, he'll go for weak spots. The biggest weakspot being the heart or the brain.
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Yeah, I vote for Jotaro FRA.
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This match is a freaking mess tbh
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Jotaro FRA. 
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Jotaro fra
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Jibz
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At first, both sides had wincons, and it looked like either side could take the dub. Now its just a stomp, shame. Any “b-but Jotaro wont aim for the heart!” coments are just coping at this point. He realises his attacks arent working, he’s gunna go for the brain, and then for the heart as they are the largest weak spots in a human being. and he can do all that in one timestop.
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