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2 for that one character who was involved in that toxic thread with Kars.

1 for that one character who somehow loses to that one character, despite giving Spongebob and Luffy a run for their money.
 
Cinder's wincon is one-shotting Johnny with her fire, along with outskilling him.

Johnny's wincon is to piss Cinder off and avoid all of her attacks, and overwhelm her with his versatility.
 
Jonny being way out his range if he teleports to space, plus he'd have to nuke the city more then he'd like at that range
Not saying he would teleport to space, but I'm just saying that he can cover a lot of distance with his Teleportation, so he should no problem avoiding Cinder's attacks.
 
Not saying he would teleport to space, but I'm just saying that he can cover a lot of distance with his Teleportation, so he should no problem avoiding Cinder's attacks.
Cinder's maiden powers also have a pretty ridiculous range to them, not about to one-shot test to my knowledge, but they can Definitely trade blows at a range
 
But that puts him out of range and he has to stay in range to win, cause giving Cinder a chance to take a breather is highly counter-intuitive
Cinder would look for Johnny instead of just trying to catch a breather, especially if she gets pissed off during the fight. Johnny can easily do a sneak attack. It would be very hard for Cinder to look for Johnny due to Johnny's small figure and Body Control.
 
Cinder would look for Johnny instead of just trying to catch a breather, especially if she gets pissed off during the fight. Johnny can easily do a sneak attack. It would be very hard for Cinder to look for Johnny due to Johnny's small figure and Body Control.
Cinder has dealt with teleport spammers who sneak attack before, and Test still announces his attacks to the universe so to say he'd actually pull off a sneak attack isn't accurate
 
Cinder has dealt with teleport spammers who sneak attack before, and Test still announces his attacks to the universe so to say he'd actually pull off a sneak attack isn't accurate
Cinder hasn't dealt with people who teleport at the range Johnny does. Johnny will announce his attacks in the very beginning, but to say that he'll do that when doing a sneak attack is really stretching it. Johnny's nowhere near that dumb. Even if he did shout out the attack, Cinder's not avoiding it, as the attack is city-sized.
 
He kinda does announce it during a sneak attack to my knowledge, and Cinder would get the chance to tag him
 
He kinda does announce it during a sneak attack to my knowledge, and Cinder would get the chance to tag him
Stealth Mastery, Body Control, and his small stature will make it extremely hard for Cinder to find Johnny.

Plus, where are you getting this information that Johnny shouts out what he's going to do during a sneak attack? Johnny's more than smart enough to know that he shouldn't yell out what he's going to do in a sneak attack.
 
Stealth Mastery, Body Control, and his small stature will make it extremely hard for Cinder to find Johnny.

Plus, where are you getting this information that Johnny shouts out what he's going to do during a sneak attack? Johnny's more than smart enough to know that he shouldn't yell out what he's going to do in a sneak attack.
I'm about 99% sure he did it in the finale when he had the Teleportation
 
Well, unless he's like, at the edge of his range his Stealth Mastery would need to be pretty ridiculous to get past Cinder's senses in this key
 
She was able to sense and accurately hit both winter and penny through a smokescreen and her senses are comparable to tyrian who can casually block bullets from behind his head without needing to look at them, ren who can sense incoming enemies from hundreds of feet away and adam and Maria who both can sense opponents and incoming attacks and fight while blind

So yeah, along with how big the AOEs are to see Cinder can pretty easily use her maiden forcefields to lolno them
 
She was able to sense and accurately hit both winter and penny through a smokescreen and her senses are comparable to tyrian who can casually block bullets from behind his head without needing to look at them, ren who can sense incoming enemies from hundreds of feet away and adam and Maria who both can sense opponents and incoming attacks and fight while blind

So yeah, along with how big the AOEs are to see Cinder can pretty easily use her maiden forcefields to lolno them
Johnny should be capable of fighting while blind.

Johnny's Stealth Mastery comes from his Ninja DNA; one of the basic abilities for a Ninja. Using this link, I'll tell you what the average Ninja should be capable of doing.

A quote from the link provided: "First and foremost, the skillset that is most important to ninja is stealth. This is the essense of ninjutsu. Ninja have to complete their missions without their enemies knowing or detecting their presence. Stealth dictated that a ninja must not arouse suspicion. Ninja had to learn how to disguise themselves and, conceal their presence." This is a requirement for the average Ninja. Johnny should have this level of stealth.

He's also able to steal things unbeknownst to others.
 
Yeah, that definitely isn't enough to sneak round Cinder sadly lol
The stuff I mentioned should be able counter stuff like blocking bullets while not looking, sensing people while in a smokescreen, and (especially) fighting blind. Especially if Johnny's main objective is to make sure their presence isn't noticed.

Also, Ren's sense only stretches to hundreds of feet, according to you. Johnny can teleport far greater distances, and he already has better range than that. Johnny shouldn't have a problem sneaking around Cinder.
 
The stuff I mentioned should be able counter stuff like blocking bullets while not looking, sensing people while in a smokescreen, and (especially) fighting blind. Especially if Johnny's main objective is to make sure their presence isn't noticed.

Also, Ren's sense only stretches to hundreds of feet, according to you. Johnny can teleport far greater distances, and he already has better range than that. Johnny shouldn't have a problem sneaking around Cinder.
his attacks definetly aren't sneaky, they can easily be countered by Cinder's maiden forcefields, they'll be detected long before Cinder can't answer them.
 
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