Jason Voorhees Higher Durability?

[Silvervigilant]

Shouldn't Undead Jason have a higher durability?, In his profile it seems that the better dura feat that he has is surviving a 189 kilojoule impact. But throughout the series, Jason has demonstrated feats like:

• Surviving a entire rooftop falling on him.
• Seemingly getting crushed by a tank.
• Surviving a house falling on him
• Tanking this explosion.
• And withstanding a house exploding with him inside.

AP wise Jason has also demonstrated that he can knock down reinforced steel which can yield numbers in the megajoule Range.

So what do you guys think?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Surviving a entire rooftop falling on him.

That's 9-B, but I'm not sure if that's an upgrade

Seemingly getting crushed by a tank.

I don't think its confirmed he got crushed there.

Tanking this explosion.

Now this is worth calcing imo.

And withstanding a house exploding with him inside.

The house thing is an outlier though. A direct mortar strike killed Jason, so him having Gigajoule+ durability.

 

[Silvervigilant]

The house thing is an outlier though. A direct mortar strike killed Jason, so him having Gigajoule+ durability.

It was mortar tho? also guys having a high durability but get injuried by bullets are very common in fiction

 

[Silvervigilant]

Now this is worth calcing imo.

Oh Jason also survived a house falling on him

 

[Qawsedf234]

It was mortar tho?

Yeah, it was during Part IX. The FBI doesn't have access to artillery after all.

Oh Jason also survived a house falling on him

Might be worth calcing. Though I'm not sure how you'd do that.

 

[Silvervigilant]

Yeah, it was during Part IX. The FBI doesn't have access to artillery after all.

This scene right? we don't see the mortar, but anyway the explosion seemed pretty big, higher than a mortar imo, and Jason still has plenty of feats that puts him above a mortar explosion.

 

[Qawsedf234]

we don't see the mortar, but anyway the explosion seemed pretty big, higher than a mortar imo

Actually, mortars can get pretty big payload size with most modern ones having a lethal blast wave at 15-30 meters from origin.

has plenty of feats that puts him above a mortar explosion.

I don't think so. A common US military mortar explosive that I could find (the M888) has an explosive yield weight of 1.68 kilograms of Composition B. Multiply that by 1.33x to get the weight in TNT and that's 2.2344 kilograms of TNT or 9,348,729.6 Joules (9.3 MegaJoules).

Being directly hit by that is beyond anything Jason has taken, which is why he was gibbed.

 

[Silvervigilant]

I don't think so. A common US military mortar explosive that I could find (the M888) has an explosive yield weight of 1.68 kilograms of Composition B. Multiply that by 1.33x to get the weight in TNT and that's 2.2344 kilograms of TNT or 9,348,729.6 Joules (9.3 MegaJoules).

Wow didn't know about that

Being directly hit by that is beyond anything Jason has taken, which is why he was gibbed.

Ignoring the house explosion feat right?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

Ignoring the house explosion feat right?

Yeah.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

When are new movies gonna come out?

 

[Silvervigilant]

Yeah.

So i suppose there's only 2 feats worth calcing huh

 

[Abstractions]

The house thing is an outlier though. A direct mortar strike killed Jason, so him having Gigajoule+ durability.

Eh, I'd say that's a matter of interpretation. The inconsistency could be summed up by different directors or choice of direction, I'm pretty sure whatever we have him at now would be around the range if not higher than what blew him up anyway.

What would be an outlier would be rating Jason as 7-A in durability for Krueger being unable to kill him within the Dream World, which is what Freddy is currently rated as in that key.

The house explosion is worth calculating.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm pretty sure whatever we have him at now would be around the range if not higher than what blew him up anyway.

What we currently have him at is >550 kj and a 189 kj durability showing. So we don't rate this form of Jason close to 8-C.

which is what Freddy is currently rated as in that key.

While he is Tier 7, Freddy in FvJ is also much weaker than his prime. The novelization said he needed to use his full power to just drop the boiler, which is a far cry from his house tornado scene or when he made a planet of cars.

The house explosion is worth calculating

You can calc it, I just don't think it's useable durability wise. Jason just outright has worse showings than it afterall.

 

[Silvervigilant]

What we currently have him at is >550 kj and a 189 kj durability showing. So we don't rate this form of Jason close to 8-C.

What about Jason breaking down a steel door? and i don't think that The house explosion would make him 8-C.

While he is Tier 7, Freddy in FvJ is also much weaker than his prime. The novelization said he needed to use his full power to just drop the boiler, which is a far cry from his house tornado scene or when he made a planet of cars.

That's true

You can calc it, I just don't think it's useable durability wise. Jason just outright has worse showings than it afterall.

Hard to believe that more "grounded" characters like John Wick, Rambo, Dominic Toreto, Jon Snow all have a greater AP than Jason here on this wiki. But i guess it is what it is.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What about Jason breaking down a steel door?

It'll have ti be recalced since Jason's door is much smaller but it wouldn't hurt.

 

[Silvervigilant]

It'll have ti be recalced since Jason's door is much smaller but it wouldn't hurt.

A small upgrade maybe

 

[Iceking_24]

That's 9-B, but I'm not sure if that's an upgrade

I don't think its confirmed he got crushed there.

Now this is worth calcing imo.

The house thing is an outlier though. A direct mortar strike killed Jason, so him having Gigajoule+ durability.

I don’t really think it’s an outlier because Jason has survived similar big explosions and scales to ash who as survived similarly big explosions

 

[VersusJunkie54]

I don’t really think it’s an outlier because Jason has survived similar big explosions and scales to ash who as survived similarly big explosions

Both of those explosions are difficult to quantify in scale, and how far away Jason was from the epicenter.

How many other calculated feats does Jason have? It may be a good idea to look at other showings that have damaged him, and calculate those to discern an accurate median rather than cherry picking potential high ends and ignoring anti-feats, like the Mortar as pointed out previously in this thread.

 

[Cimafranca133]

What would be an outlier would be rating Jason as 7-A in durability for Krueger being unable to kill him within the Dream World, which is what Freddy is currently rated as in that key.

just make a 7-A key for Jason in the dream world

 

[Qawsedf234]

Jason has survived similar big explosions

• The first feat is a propane tank explosion. Lets use a standard 500 gallon tank, that's 1892.71 liters of propane. The density of propane is 493 grams per liter, or a total of 933.10603 kilograms of propane . If you were to literally convert all of it to an explosive (which isn't possible), that's a total energy volume of 47 Gigajoules. That sounds like a lot, until you consider inverse-square law. Jason being just ten feet away from the explosion would reduce the total energy to 1/10th the value and he wasn't just ten feet away, but at the end of a large dock. Its a 9-B feat, but not a Gigajoule+ one, especially when you factor in that most of the propane will be destroyed before it ignites like with modern bombs.
• The second one is shooting a fuel tank of a helicopter that explodes, like the above you're not getting such a high amount of energy unless you converted all of the diesel into explosive material, which isn't possible to my knowledge.

survived similarly big explosions

See above.

 

[VersusJunkie54]

• The first feat is a propane tank explosion. Lets use a standard 500 gallon tank, that's 1892.71 liters of propane. The density of propane is 493 grams per liter, or a total of 933.10603 kilograms of propane . If you were to literally convert all of it to an explosive (which isn't possible), that's a total energy volume of 47 Gigajoules. That sounds like a lot, until you consider inverse-square law. Jason being just ten feet away from the explosion would reduce the total energy to 1/10th the value and he wasn't just ten feet away, but at the end of a large dock. Its a 9-B feat, but not a Gigajoule+ one, especially when you factor in that most of the propane will be destroyed before it ignites like with modern bombs.
• The second one is shooting a fuel tank of a helicopter that explodes, like the above you're not getting such a high amount of energy unless you converted all of the diesel into explosive material, which isn't possible to my knowledge.

See above.

This was the point I was trying to bring up, and you just answered it well even though the perspectives seemed to be somewhat confusing.

Furthermore for the first feat, it doesn't seem to all explode at once either. At best it would be Wall Level+ if wanked, but as you pointed out, the inverse square law makes it far less impressive, and likely well under half of Jason's surface area was exposed during the blast.

As for the second one, it's probably not even worth calculating.

What does Jason have for anti-feats?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What does Jason have for anti-feats?

The most obvious are:

• A grenade destroys >40% of his body
• A mortar striking him directly reduces him to gore
• The other CRT about BlackFlame Jason has a grenade launcher reduce Jason to gore

 

[VersusJunkie54]

The most obvious are:

• A grenade destroys >40% of his body
• A mortar striking him directly reduces him to gore
• The other CRT about BlackFlame Jason has a grenade launcher reduce Jason to gore

It might not be a bad idea to look out for more so some consistency/accuracy can be established.

 

[Iceking_24]

• The first feat is a propane tank explosion. Lets use a standard 500 gallon tank, that's 1892.71 liters of propane. The density of propane is 493 grams per liter, or a total of 933.10603 kilograms of propane . If you were to literally convert all of it to an explosive (which isn't possible), that's a total energy volume of 47 Gigajoules. That sounds like a lot, until you consider inverse-square law. Jason being just ten feet away from the explosion would reduce the total energy to 1/10th the value and he wasn't just ten feet away, but at the end of a large dock. Its a 9-B feat, but not a Gigajoule+ one, especially when you factor in that most of the propane will be destroyed before it ignites like with modern bombs.
• The second one is shooting a fuel tank of a helicopter that explodes, like the above you're not getting such a high amount of energy unless you converted all of the diesel into explosive material, which isn't possible to my knowledge.

See above.

There this

 

[Iceking_24]

The most obvious are:

• A grenade destroys >40% of his body
• A mortar striking him directly reduces him to gore
• The other CRT about BlackFlame Jason has a grenade launcher reduce Jason to gore

Jason was pretty weak for most of these

 

[Iceking_24]

Jason was pretty weak for most of these

So much so that Freddy had to resurrect him

 

[Qawsedf234]

Jason was pretty weak for most of these

I mean, he still got decapitated afterwards by Tommy and gunfire still harms him. Him having 9-A durability just isn't supported imo.

 

[Iceking_24]

There’s still plenty of times where Jason has destroyed metal. Plus Jason had already been roughed up before Tommy killed him

 

[Iceking_24]

Is Jason’s best feat still the one from part four where he crashes through the door

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is Jason’s best feat still the one from part four where he crashes through the door

No, he has a superior version of that in Part VIII and has durability scaling to himself.

 

[Iceking_24]

No I mean like is that his highest calced feat (516 kilojoules)

 

[Flashlight237]

Might be worth calcing. Though I'm not sure how you'd do that.

What I think works best is dividing the KE of the house by its floor area (since it looks like the floor is the side that hit Jason in the comic), then multiplying it by Jason Voorhees' cross-sectional area. That's my take.

 

[Qawsedf234]

No I mean like is that his highest calced feat (516 kilojoules)

Post boiler nerf yes

 

[Iceking_24]

Post boiler nerf yes

Damn poor Jason

 

[Iceking_24]

Post boiler nerf yes

Is there a feat that has not been done that could get a little higher?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is there a feat that has not been done that could get a little higher?

Unless fragmenting metal door hinges get you something good, I can only think of this incredibly vague comic feat.

 

[Iceking_24]

I mean, he still got decapitated afterwards by Tommy and gunfire still harms him. Him having 9-A durability just isn't supported imo.

Also couldn’t you use that to argue against wall level too since that’s a street level feat killing him

 

[Livinmeme]

Eh, I'd say that's a matter of interpretation. The inconsistency could be summed up by different directors or choice of direction, I'm pretty sure whatever we have him at now would be around the range if not higher than what blew him up anyway.

What would be an outlier would be rating Jason as 7-A in durability for Krueger being unable to kill him within the Dream World, which is what Freddy is currently rated as in that key.

The house explosion is worth calculating.

City level (In a weaker body survived a point blank nuclear explosion that produced a beam that pierced a planet's atmosphere[19]), Island level (Survived being thrown at a moon at near-light speeds[25])Outerverse level

Uh....Jason solos Dragon ball, lets ******* GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO