9B+ to 9A Jason Upgrades

[Raincutter]

This should be fairly straightforward. Ash is 9B+ from scaling to Kandar's tree feats from Army of Darkness. Jason has a few paths of upscaling this guy:
The FvJvA comics have him generally ragdolling Ash and even oneshotting him in one fight.
He resists the same vortex that overpowered and sent both Ash and Kandar to the past
Freddy states he's the ultimate killer and makes him leader of his army.

I did try to get a Class K upgrade for Jason in the past, but the feat was from Ash vs Evil Dead which is probably not canon to the FvJvA comics, but that shouldn't be a problem here since the film trilogy is all that's needed here.
Jason should be upgraded to "At least 9B+" for heavily upscaling Ash and the Kandarian Demon. Tommy Jarvis would be upgraded to 9B+ for damaging him, but still getting stomped when Jason's trying. Roy Burns as well unless we consider that Tommy stronger than before.

But wait, there's more.
This calc got Tina Shephard to 9A. I think OP may have missed this as he links a past version of Tina as an attempt at scaling Jason, but Ash does confirm he and Freddy's daughter were both hit there. There's also the house explosion feat which has been deemed an outlier, but could maybe be considered an upper limit now. And there's him upscaling Ash who broke Freddy's arm, who's currently considered 9A for surviving a tank shell.

So, he could get an "Possibly" or "At most 9A" since the tank showing incapacitated him for a short while. If nothing else, he should at least get Class 100 Lifting Strength for freeing himself from the tank.

 

[Random-Helper323]

This seems reasonable at a glance. Jason does sponge a lot of hits from Tina and Freddy both, and he is a match for Ash.

 

[Raincutter]

Bump

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

I did try to get a Class K upgrade for Jason in the past, but the feat was from Ash vs Evil Dead which is probably not canon to the FvJvA comics, but that shouldn't be a problem here since the film trilogy is all that's needed here.

So currently how the Jason to Evil Dead scaling works is that the comic and the events referenced in it are considered canon. Afaik, this is only the three Evil Dead movies with nothing else. But like you said that's what the Ash profiles uses for the most part other than LS.

With that said if Ash's durability is scaled a 9-B+ feat, then Jason should scale to as well.

Though I do have a question, what exactly is Ash's 9-B+ value? All the linked calcs for Ash are seemingly just 9-B (the + is 10,467,500 Joules):

• Punch throw a door: 397.1925 Joules
• Kandarian Demon splitting a tree: 328,773.0558 to 5,260,368.893 Joules
• Punching through a steel table: 17,336.8 joules
• Destroying a metal staircase (Ash wouldn't scale to these value): 3,761,956.455 Joules to 7,507,373.703 Joules

From the look of it Ash was actually just given the rating Wall level+ without a CRT by user @AThe1412 . If anything that rating should be removed from his profile, rather than added to Jason's

I think OP may have missed this as he links a past version of Tina as an attempt at scaling Jason, but Ash does confirm he and Freddy's daughter were both hit there.

Since Jason wasn't in-between the tank and a wall, I think we would have to use the first end of the hit by a car calc. Using the calc we can figure the energy Jason would've been subject to:

(64,600 * 39.26) / (100 + 64,600) = Jason was launched at 39.199 m/s

KE = 100 kg * 39.199^2 * 0.5 = 76,828.08005 Joules (Wall Level)

Unless we can prove Jason was physically smashed by the Tank then afaik he wouldn't scale to the 9-A stuff.

There's also the house explosion feat which has been deemed an outlier, but could maybe be considered an upper limit now.

I mean, 8-C would still be an outlier. Its just rather than being 2,092x his best scaling it would be 100x.

Roy Burns as well unless we consider that Tommy stronger than before.

The NW comics did say Tommy was training for a long time for Jason. So it might not be valid to back scale him in the comics to previous incidents, especially when he didn't do so well in Part VI in a physical fight.

 

[AThe1412]

So currently how the Jason to Evil Dead scaling works is that the comic and the events referenced in it are considered canon. Afaik, this is only the three Evil Dead movies with nothing else. But like you said that's what the Ash profiles uses for the most part other than LS.

With that said if Ash's durability is scaled a 9-B+ feat, then Jason should scale to as well.

Though I do have a question, what exactly is Ash's 9-B+ value? All the linked calcs for Ash are seemingly just 9-B (the + is 10,467,500 Joules):

• Punch throw a door: 397.1925 Joules
• Kandarian Demon splitting a tree: 328,773.0558 to 5,260,368.893 Joules
• Punching through a steel table: 17,336.8 joules
• Destroying a metal staircase (Ash wouldn't scale to these value): 3,761,956.455 Joules to 7,507,373.703 Joules

From the look of it Ash was actually just given the rating Wall level+ without a CRT by user @AThe1412 . If anything that rating should be removed from his profile, rather than added to Jason's


Since Jason wasn't in-between the tank and a wall, I think we would have to use the first end of the hit by a car calc. Using the calc we can figure the energy Jason would've been subject to:

(64,600 * 39.26) / (100 + 64,600) = Jason was launched at 39.199 m/s

KE = 100 kg * 39.199^2 * 0.5 = 76,828.08005 Joules (Wall Level)

Unless we can prove Jason was physically smashed by the Tank then afaik he wouldn't scale to the 9-A stuff.

I mean, 8-C would still be an outlier. Its just rather than being 2,092x his best scaling it would be 100x.


The NW comics did say Tommy was training for a long time for Jason. So it might not be valid to back scale him in the comics to previous incidents, especially when he didn't do so well in Part VI in a physical fight.

A page for reference of common feats by Jasonsith

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ash's 9-B+ comes from destroying a small tree.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Ash's 9-B+ comes from destroying a small tree.

The demon doesn't destroy a tree, but splits it in half like the page says. So it doesn't scale to that value.

 

[AThe1412]

The demon doesn't destroy a tree, but splits it in half like the page says. So it doesn't scale to that value.

Well crap.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So this is just a Ash correction and reinforcing the scaling chain since the tree wasn't 30 meters tall.

 

[ShionAH]

I mean, 8-C would still be an outlier.

I am kinda confused on this one, so many characters get high upgrades when they get impressive feats even if they have anti feats. Why not for Jason?

 

[Qawsedf234]

many characters get high upgrades when they get impressive feats even if they have anti feats. Why not for Jason?

Because Jason every other feat Jason has in this form isn't 8-C. Even for durability everything he's been harmed by is under 8-C.

 

[ShionAH]

Because Jason every other feat Jason has in this form isn't 8-C. Even for durability everything he's been harmed by is under 8-C.

I dont want to do whataboutism but like Deadpool is about to get Tier 7 iirc even though he gets hurt by bullets and small explosions same goes for Wolverine and many others

Its inconsistent sure but Jasons still tanked this.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I dont want to do whataboutism but like Deadpool is about to get Tier 7 iirc even though he gets hurt by bullets and small explosions same goes for Wolverine and many others

I mean, they shouldn't. But Comicbook characters and their adaption typically get highballed anyways.

Its inconsistent sure but Jasons still tanked this.

We don't know, since it's entirely off screen. If you're giving Jason teleportation or subsonic speed then him escaping before the explosion goes off is perfectly valid. Especially since two movies later a mortar kills him and Grenades have destroyed large portions of his body before.

 

[ShionAH]

If you're giving Jason teleportation

Its only a "likely" which means that it is also "likely" he cannot teleport and tanked it.

or subsonic speed

He doesn't have Subsonic travel speed

Especially since two movies later a mortar kills him and Grenades have destroyed large portions of his body before.

Why are you acting like I didnt say it was inconsistent? By your logic so many of our profiles will be downgraded to hell and back lol,

Jason survives a big explosion, has no feats that allow him to escape expect LIKELY teleportation. This would at the very worst be "likely" tier

You could also argue since his corpse is rotting he got weaker as the time went on. Boom.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Its only a "likely" which means that it is also "likely" he cannot teleport and tanked it.

The other active F13 thread is just making it an ability. It's just waiting on more mod acceptance. So afaik Jason will be treated as having teleportation.

Why are you acting like I didnt say it was inconsistent?

Because it's beyond an inconsistency. It's a statistical outlier with anti-feats.

You could also argue since his corpse is rotting he got weaker as the time went on. Boom.

In the previous movie he got his spine snapped by a boat and was damaged by gunfire. I'm not seeing Tier 8 being valid in any way. Especially when after Jason was fully healed he's still damage by things weaker than 8-C.

Additionally, the big issue to me isn't really him surviving as much as coming out nearly undamaged. If he was seriously wounded it may be more acceptable, but the assumption he was dead center and tanked it when future explosives rip him apart just doesn't make sense.

 

[Raincutter]

So currently how the Jason to Evil Dead scaling works is that the comic and the events referenced in it are considered canon. Afaik, this is only the three Evil Dead movies with nothing else. But like you said that's what the Ash profiles uses for the most part other than LS.

With that said if Ash's durability is scaled a 9-B+ feat, then Jason should scale to as well.

Though I do have a question, what exactly is Ash's 9-B+ value? All the linked calcs for Ash are seemingly just 9-B (the + is 10,467,500 Joules):

• Punch throw a door: 397.1925 Joules
• Kandarian Demon splitting a tree: 328,773.0558 to 5,260,368.893 Joules
• Punching through a steel table: 17,336.8 joules
• Destroying a metal staircase (Ash wouldn't scale to these value): 3,761,956.455 Joules to 7,507,373.703 Joules

From the look of it Ash was actually just given the rating Wall level+ without a CRT by user @AThe1412 . If anything that rating should be removed from his profile, rather than added to Jason's


Since Jason wasn't in-between the tank and a wall, I think we would have to use the first end of the hit by a car calc. Using the calc we can figure the energy Jason would've been subject to:

(64,600 * 39.26) / (100 + 64,600) = Jason was launched at 39.199 m/s

KE = 100 kg * 39.199^2 * 0.5 = 76,828.08005 Joules (Wall Level)

Unless we can prove Jason was physically smashed by the Tank then afaik he wouldn't scale to the 9-A stuff.

I mean, 8-C would still be an outlier. Its just rather than being 2,092x his best scaling it would be 100x.


The NW comics did say Tommy was training for a long time for Jason. So it might not be valid to back scale him in the comics to previous incidents, especially when he didn't do so well in Part VI in a physical fight.

Seems more reasonable.
Regardless, I think he should still get class 100 from the tank
Also, what do you think of the Freddy scaling?

 

[Raincutter]

Also, I just remembered the Jason Strain novel does have him tanking a sonic plane crash for what it's worth.

(100 kg x 343^2)/2 = 5,882,450 (9B+)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Regardless, I think he should still get class 100 from the tank

Sorta iffy on it, but a possibly rating may be valid.

Also, what do you think of the Freddy scaling?

Freddy's always been weird to me since his powers flux. It would warrant a "likely higher" rating in my view, but I'm not sure about 9-A outright.

Also, I just remembered the Jason Strain novel does have him tanking a sonic plane crash for what it's worth.

(100 kg x 343^2)/2 = 5,882,450 (9B+)

If you can post it in a blog and get it accepted (or give me the page numbers), then it would make the 9-A scaling much more straightforward

 

[Raincutter]

Sorta iffy on it, but a possibly rating may be valid.


Freddy's always been weird to me since his powers flux. It would warrant a "likely higher" rating in my view, but I'm not sure about 9-A outright.


If you can post it in a blog and get it accepted (or give me the page numbers), then it would make the 9-A scaling much more straightforward

Page 270, the last one
"The awkward, painful landing and the sonic Armageddon of the plane crashing down in the moonlit desert. She remembered staggering up and over a rocky ridge, and seeing the flaming debris spread out like glowing jewels across the sand. There was almost nothing left but large jagged chunks of metal like the shell of an enormous broken egg, and a few barbecued chunks of meat and bone that could have been anyone. Nothing even remotely recognizable as a body. But there was one thing that she saw that night that would haunt her nightmares for the rest of her life. Large, burning footprints leading away from the crash site, into the wild and endless desert."

Private jets fly slightly below that in normal conditions

 

[Raincutter]

Bump

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I think the house explosion in part 7 can be used as jason 9-A stuff seems to be kind of consistent across the franchise

 

[Iceking_24]

I think the house explosion in part 7 can be used as jason 9-A stuff seems to be kind of consistent across the franchise

With the amount of times he’s busted down metal doors I think 9-A is very reasonable

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

With the amount of times he’s busted down metal doors I think 9-A is very reasonable

Plus he was basically tanking bullets and only died when a airstrike was thrown

 

[TheShape03]

With the amount of times he’s busted down metal doors I think 9-A is very reasonable

That's not 9-A.

I think the house explosion in part 7 can be used as jason 9-A

That explosion is 8-C, as I recall.

Jason was blown to pieces by a mortar and a grenade. Also, a futuristic explosive blew his head off.

He definitely isn't 8-C.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

That's not 9-A.

That explosion is 8-C, as I recall.

Jason was blown to pieces by a mortar and a grenade. Also, a futuristic explosive blew his head off.

He definitely isn't 8-C.

That doesn't look like 8-C to me and also I thought it was a damn airstrike which is straight up 8-C and would not the futuristic explosion upscale?

 

[TheShape03]

That doesn't look like 8-C

A 2 story house weighs between 275000 pounds (124737902 g) to 2750000 pounds (1247379018 g). I put the high ball because the house looked really big.

The density of concrete is 2.4 g/cm^3

275000 pounds (Low Ball):

Volume: 124737902 / 2.4 = 51974125.8333 cc

Violent fragmentation of concrete: 17-20 J/cc (Average: 18.5)

51974125.8333 * 18.5 = 961521327.916 Joules or 0.229809112790631 Tons of TNT (9-A+, very close to 8-C)

2750000 pounds (High Ball):

Volume: 1247379018 / 2.4 = 519741257.5 cc

519741257.5 * 18.5 = 9615213263.75 Joules or 2.298091124223231 Tons of TNT (High 8-C)

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

A 2 story house weighs between 275000 pounds (124737902 g) to 2750000 pounds (1247379018 g). I put the high ball because the house looked really big.

The density of concrete is 2.4 g/cm^3

275000 pounds (Low Ball):

Volume: 124737902 / 2.4 = 51974125.8333 cc

Violent fragmentation of concrete: 17-20 J/cc (Average: 18.5)

51974125.8333 * 18.5 = 961521327.916 Joules or 0.229809112790631 Tons of TNT (9-A+, very close to 8-C)

2750000 pounds (High Ball):

Volume: 1247379018 / 2.4 = 519741257.5 cc

519741257.5 * 18.5 = 9615213263.75 Joules or 2.298091124223231 Tons of TNT (High 8-C)

High 8-C is too high honestly

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

High 8-C is too high honestly

So I guess that's fair

 

[Raincutter]

That's not 9-A.

That explosion is 8-C, as I recall.

Jason was blown to pieces by a mortar and a grenade. Also, a futuristic explosive blew his head off.

He definitely isn't 8-C.

Your calc assumes the house is made of concrete, it's a wooden cabin. And the futuristic grenade would just upscale to him.

Using Oak Post and avg density of Oak at 750, it'd be:
124737902 / 8.05= 15495391.5528 cc
15495391.5528 x 12.6864 = 0.04 tons tnt (9a)

or highball
1247379018 / 8.05 = 154953915.28 cc
154953915.28 x 12.6864 = 1965807350.81 = 0.47 tons tnt (8c)

I think violent frag would even be highball since you can see a lot of large pieces falling down.

 

[Raincutter]

I think the house explosion in part 7 can be used as jason 9-A stuff seems to be kind of consistent across the franchise

Yeah hopefully this novel feat I calced as well should downscale him to 9a.

 

[Iceking_24]

That's not 9-A.

That explosion is 8-C, as I recall.

Jason was blown to pieces by a mortar and a grenade. Also, a futuristic explosive blew his head off.

He definitely isn't 8-C.

Yeah a futuristic explosive which is probably a lot stronger than a mortar

 

[Raincutter]

@Qawsedf234 Is the Satan's Six crossover considered usable?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Your calc assumes the house is made of concrete, it's a wooden cabin. And the futuristic grenade would just upscale to him.

Using Oak Post and avg density of Oak at 750, it'd be:
124737902 / 8.05= 15495391.5528 cc
15495391.5528 x 12.6864 = 0.04 tons tnt (9a)

or highball
1247379018 / 8.05 = 154953915.28 cc
154953915.28 x 12.6864 = 1965807350.81 = 0.47 tons tnt (8c)

I think violent frag would even be highball since you can see a lot of large pieces falling down.

8-C looks good

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Also what about that spaceship explosion that Uber Jason survived?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Yeah hopefully this novel feat I calced as well should downscale him to 9a.

Noice

 

[Raincutter]

Also what about that spaceship explosion that Uber Jason survived?

I believe it was calced at 8c

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I believe it was calced at 8c

I don't think so, the spaceship was very Big

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I don't think so, the spaceship was very Big

And considering it is made out of metal, it could very easily be high 8-C to 8-B

 

[Raincutter]

And considering it is made out of metal, it could very easily be high 8-C to 8-

The ship tanked ramming through a small city iirc so yeah 8-anything seems weird to me

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

The ship tanked ramming through a small city iirc so yeah 8-anything seems weird to me

Alright then also I gotta need a list of 9-A to 8-C feats that Jason have performed