9B+ to 9A Jason Upgrades

[ThePrimalHunter]

Doesn’t this get to 9B+

Knocking down steel doors is only 1.8 megajoules, which is 9-B. About 1/20th of what you need for 9-B+

So my thoughts on this whole thing: If calcs get made that prove Jason is 9-B+, then I'm totally fine with it, I think he is consistantly is 9-B+ enough to put him there. But 9-A or 8-C is a no for me, many of the feats that support 9-A or 8-C seem very inconsistant, have many anti-feats that go against it, and due to how explosions & inverse square law work, Jason likely wasn't taking much of the explosion. But with calcs of Jason's feats, I'm okay with 9-B+

 

[Iceking_24]

Knocking down steel doors is only 1.8 megajoules, which is 9-B. About 1/20th of what you need for 9-B+

So my thoughts on this whole thing: If calcs get made that prove Jason is 9-B+, then I'm totally fine with it, I think he is consistantly is 9-B+ enough to put him there. But 9-A or 8-C is a no for me, many of the feats that support 9-A or 8-C seem very inconsistant, have many anti-feats that go against it, and due to how explosions & inverse square law work, Jason likely wasn't taking much of the explosion. But with calcs of Jason's feats, I'm okay with 9-B+

I have problems with all of the anti-feats but is what it is

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

There is a scene where the lightning that revives Jason destroys the gravestone, Idk if he scales to it

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

There is a scene where the lightning that revives Jason destroys the gravestone, Idk if he scales to it

He wouldn't. He was already dead when he got hit

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

He wouldn't. He was already dead when he got hit

Fair

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I Still think that the gas explosion in fvj can be good for 9-A since while they weren't in the epicenter I'm pretty sure part of the explosion is weaker than the epicenter by a little

 

[Da3ggman]

I definitely think 8-C is off the table unless a ton of new feats get calced that can outweigh the anti-feats, but I still think 9-A is within the realm of reasonability.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Ngl I definitely think 8-C is off the table unless a ton of new feats get calced that can outweigh the anti-feats, but I still think 9-A is within the realm of reasonability.

Agreed

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

this might be useful

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

this might be useful

That would only be 1.8 megajoules, still Wall level but upgrades him a bit

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

That would only be 1.8 megajoules, still Wall level but upgrades him a bit

Seems good

 

[Iceking_24]

Feat from the nightmare Warriors comic that I never noticed until the kill count. If I recall this gets small building

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Feat from the nightmare Warriors comic that I never noticed until the kill count. If I recall this gets small building

What's the context? Also you got discord?

 

[TheShape03]

I've been thinking about this topic.

Jason should be separated into more keys, given that he gets stronger with each resurrection, and has been resurrected several times during his undead stage.

From FvsJ to Nightmare Warriors he should be 9-A because he can damage Freddy in the dream world and Necronomicon Freddy.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I've been thinking about this topic.

Jason should be separated into more keys, given that he gets stronger with each resurrection, and has been resurrected several times during his undead stage.

From FvsJ to Nightmare Warriors he should be 9-A because he can damage Freddy in the dream world and Necronomicon Freddy.

My Proposal is that pre-Uber Jason should be separated into a new key since well Jason X is after Nightmare warriors since pre Uber Jason design is similar to deadite Jason (who later gets restored by Freddy Kruege)

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

My Proposal is that pre-Uber Jason should be separated into a new key since well Jason X is after Nightmare warriors since pre Uber Jason design is similar to deadite Jason (who later gets restored by Freddy Kruege)

Also would part 7 house explosion feat still count for Jason?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

My Proposal is that pre-Uber Jason should be separated into a new key since well Jason X is after Nightmare warriors since pre Uber Jason design is similar to deadite Jason (who later gets restored by Freddy Kruege)

Or Better. Separate it into fvj to pre-uber

 

[TheShape03]

My Proposal is that pre-Uber Jason should be separated into a new key since well Jason X is after Nightmare warriors since pre Uber Jason design is similar to deadite Jason (who later gets restored by Freddy Kruege)

Jason should be separated into more keys, given that he gets stronger with each resurrection, and has been resurrected several times during his undead stage.

I think Jason is resurrected 3 times during his Zombie stage.

- He first dies at the end of part 6, and is resurrected by Tina at the beginning of part 7.

- He then dies at the end of part 7, and is resurrected at the beginning of part 8.

- He then dies at the end of part 9, and is resurrected by Freddy at the beginning of Freddy vs Jason.

So, Undead Jason needs the following keys:

Keys: Part VI | Part VII | Parts VIII and IX | FvsJ to Jason X

Maybe we can split Jason into two (or three) profiles, that happens with many characters so that a single profile doesn't get saturated with too many keys.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I think Jason is resurrected 3 times during his Zombie stage.

- He first dies at the end of part 6, and is resurrected by Tina at the beginning of part 7.

- He then dies at the end of part 7, and is resurrected at the beginning of part 8.

- He then dies at the end of part 9, and is resurrected by Freddy at the beginning of Freddy vs Jason.

So, Undead Jason needs the following keys:

Keys: Part VI | Part VII | Parts VIII and IX | FvsJ to Jason X

Maybe we can split Jason into two (or three) profiles, that happens with many characters so that a single profile doesn't get saturated with too many keys.

I don't think he died at part VI, rather got dormant and then was re awakened by tina

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

I don't think he died at part VI, rather got dormant and then was re awakened by tina

And since we're talking about keys. Part III Jason should be it's own key due to being far weaker than Part IV since he needs a axe to break a door and isn't very durable

 

[TheShape03]

I don't think he died at part VI, rather got dormant and then was re awakened by tina

The part 6 novel reads this:

"Jason’s mangled corpse hung suspended in the dark waters of Crystal Lake, returned to its original underwater grave. As darkness closed in around him, the bloodlust abated and he stopped hearing the demon voice. He felt no pain. The cool waters of the lake seemed soothing as they quenched the fires of his life. His last conscious thought was, Maybe now they'll let me rest."

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

The part 6 novel reads this:

"Jason’s mangled corpse hung suspended in the dark waters of Crystal Lake, returned to its original underwater grave. As darkness closed in around him, the bloodlust abated and he stopped hearing the demon voice. He felt no pain. The cool waters of the lake seemed soothing as they quenched the fires of his life. His last conscious thought was, Maybe now they'll let me rest."

Damn so Jason died to lack of oxygen?? It's kinda funny tbh

 

[TheShape03]

Damn so Jason died to lack of oxygen?? It's kinda funny tbh

Probably the fact that he was severely damaged by a boat engine seconds before had a lot to do with it.

To be honest, since Jason almost always gets stronger, I think we should have 3 profiles for him with the following keys.

Profile: Jason Voorhees (Human)

Keys: Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV

Profile: Jason Voorhees (Undead)

Keys: Part VI | Parts VII and VIII | Part IX | FvsJ to Jason X

Profile: Jason Voorhees (Uber Jason)

Keys: Über-Jason | Jason X³

There are many characters that get more than one profile when they have different stages that require many keys. Sonic is the best example.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Probably the fact that he was severely damaged by a boat engine seconds before had a lot to do with it.

To be honest, since Jason almost always gets stronger, I think we should have 3 profiles for him with the following keys.






There are many characters that get more than one profile when they have different stages that require many keys. Sonic is the best example.

It kinda makes sense

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

It kinda makes sense

I honestly agree with the proposal plus I think human Jason needs a rework on the abilities

 

[Raincutter]

I think Jason is resurrected 3 times during his Zombie stage.

- He first dies at the end of part 6, and is resurrected by Tina at the beginning of part 7.

- He then dies at the end of part 7, and is resurrected at the beginning of part 8.

- He then dies at the end of part 9, and is resurrected by Freddy at the beginning of Freddy vs Jason.

So, Undead Jason needs the following keys:

Keys: Part VI | Part VII | Parts VIII and IX | FvsJ to Jason X

Maybe we can split Jason into two (or three) profiles, that happens with many characters so that a single profile doesn't get saturated with too many keys.

I don't believe he dies at Part 7. Tommy states he can only be stopped by returning to the waters he drowned in, so presumably he just goes dormant if trapped there. And it's not like TIna's dad did anything beside chain him. Also it wasn't Freddy who resurrected him, Freddy had no power at that point. Jason's soul believed he was alive until Freddy told him to wake up, at which point Jason revived himself.

But he is explicitly confirmed stronger than ever in the FvJ novel then Freddy further amps him in Nightmare Warriors. Imo these are his explicit resurrections:

Part 6 via lightning bolt
Part 7 via Tina
Part 9 via his half sister
FvJ by his own healing factor/soul

 

[Raincutter]

I honestly agree with the proposal plus I think human Jason needs a rework on the abilities

The series retcons him into having always been a deadite in 9 so he should probably have the basic deadite stuff - possession, immortality, etc.

 

[TheShape03]

I don't believe he dies at Part 7. Tommy states he can only be stopped by returning to the waters he drowned in, so presumably he just goes dormant if trapped there. And it's not like TIna's dad did anything beside chain him.

I mean, in part 6 he died the same way, chained at the bottom of the lake. In part 8 he seems to be resurrected thanks to the electricity from a cable.

Side note, I just checked the script for part 8 and it confirms that Jason died at the end. So there we have another Jason resurrection.

I also think a novelization mentions that Jason died in part 3, which would explain why Jason in part 4 is stronger than Jason in Part 3.

Jason's profile needs to be reworked.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

The series retcons him into having always been a deadite in 9 so he should probably have the basic deadite stuff - possession, immortality, etc.

And type 2 immortality and likely type 7 since it was stated that he was decomposing

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

And while we're at it. The black flame novels should be included into the profiles so it should go like that:


HKR is after part 8 and a prequel to part 9 plus the novels of hell lake and other like church of the divine psychopath And carnival of maniacs are after part 9 and while HKR ignores part 8. Part 9 is a similar case though since the director was told by new line to ignore part 8 or every part besides part 2 and yet we consider part 9 to be after part 8

And for Jason strain. I think it would make sense if it was after fvj and before FVJVA due to the whole Jason biology shit as well due to book cover being just fvj Jason design

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

And type 2 immortality and likely type 7 since it was stated that he was decomposing

Also can we count the whole native American curse as a ability for Jason? Like maybe type 8 immortality since well it's a curse

 

[Raincutter]

I mean, in part 6 he died the same way, chained at the bottom of the lake. In part 8 he seems to be resurrected thanks to the electricity from a cable.

Side note, I just checked the script for part 8 and it confirms that Jason died at the end. So there we have another Jason resurrection.

I also think a novelization mentions that Jason died in part 3, which would explain why Jason in part 4 is stronger than Jason in Part 3.

Jason's profile needs to be reworked.

In part 6 his neck was snapped and chest grounded up by the boat propeller and its not like he needs oxygen. I think FvJ shows it well. Freddy disguised as his mom just yells at him to wake up and he leaves hell of his own volition, restarting his healing factor. If you wanna take it a step further, that implies his healing is tied to his will rather than just a natural process of his body, and the Part 6 novel implies he's content to just stay dead so it's not necessarily Tina or electricity resurrecting him so much as waking him up from his sleep.

Then again, this is a franchise with some extremely loose lore that adds and retcons stuff as it goes along.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

And while we're at it. The black flame novels should be included into the profiles so it should go like that:


HKR is after part 8 and a prequel to part 9 plus the novels of hell lake and other like church of the divine psychopath And carnival of maniacs are after part 9 and while HKR ignores part 8. Part 9 is a similar case though since the director was told by new line to ignore part 8 or every part besides part 2 and yet we consider part 9 to be after part 8

And for Jason strain. I think it would make sense if it was after fvj and before FVJVA due to the whole Jason biology shit as well due to book cover being just fvj Jason design

Also hell lake is obviously after the crystal lake novel series

 

[Raincutter]

And while we're at it. The black flame novels should be included into the profiles so it should go like that:


HKR is after part 8 and a prequel to part 9 plus the novels of hell lake and other like church of the divine psychopath And carnival of maniacs are after part 9 and while HKR ignores part 8. Part 9 is a similar case though since the director was told by new line to ignore part 8 or every part besides part 2 and yet we consider part 9 to be after part 8

And for Jason strain. I think it would make sense if it was after fvj and before FVJVA due to the whole Jason biology shit as well due to book cover being just fvj Jason design

Speaking of those novels, I think you could argue he gets High-Mid regen off that since Church of the Divine ends with him getting blown to pieces, unless he did the whole possessions stuff again (unlikely unless he has extra living relatives not mentioned). Hell Lake says that Jason could recover from any injury and would likely need to be burnt to ash, and then have that ash further burnt to stop him from coming back. FvJvA NW ending regardless should give him Mid regen since Tommy decaps him and he's up by the morning

Carnival explicitly takes place in 2005 after FvJ
Hell Lake gives a date of 2006 over the course of a couple months
Church has no explicit date aside from being in between 6 and X
The only clue to when Strain takes place is the hockey mask being "ancient" and the machete being "battle scarred" implying he's been in his undead form for a long time.

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Speaking of those novels, I think you could argue he gets High-Mid regen off that since Church of the Divine ends with him getting blown to pieces, unless he did the whole possessions stuff again (unlikely unless he has extra living relatives not mentioned). Hell Lake says that Jason could recover from any injury and would likely need to be burnt to ash, and then have that ash further burnt to stop him from coming back. FvJvA NW ending regardless should give him Mid regen since Tommy decaps him and he's up by the morning

Carnival explicitly takes place in 2005 after FvJ
Hell Lake gives a date of 2006 over the course of a couple months
Church has no explicit date aside from being in between 6 and X
The only clue to when Strain takes place is the hockey mask being "ancient" and the machete being "battle scarred" implying he's been in his undead form for a long time.

Then I guess we put hell lake stuff in Fvj to Jason X key and to me Jason strain being in fvj key makes sense since I don't really see it taking place at all in part 8 or 7, and For church. I think it could take place after hell lake due to the whole cult worshipping stuff and I agree with the regeneration part since his resurrection could likely enhance his abilities as well

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

Also ngl Friday the 13th verse needs a canon timeline thing with all the comics, novels and movies explained in how it connects with each other

 

[TheShape03]

In part 6 his neck was snapped and chest grounded up by the boat propeller and its not like he needs oxygen. I think FvJ shows it well. Freddy disguised as his mom just yells at him to wake up and he leaves hell of his own volition, restarting his healing factor. If you wanna take it a step further, that implies his healing is tied to his will rather than just a natural process of his body, and the Part 6 novel implies he's content to just stay dead so it's not necessarily Tina or electricity resurrecting him so much as waking him up from his sleep.

Then again, this is a franchise with some extremely loose lore that adds and retcons stuff as it goes along.

Okay. I guess if there's no direct statement, I'm fine with parts 7 and 8 being a single key.

 

[Raincutter]

So what I've gathered so far:

Separate into 3 separate profiles Human, Deadite, and Uber. Human Jason possibly gets basic deadite abilities due to the Part 9 retcon

FvJ and FvJvA Jason is 9-A for heavily scaling above Freddy's real world form and its tank feat, and possibly him crashing through the White House (?). Maybe reconsider the house feat as an outlier.

Add his haxes from the novels. Maybe bump him up to 9-B+ if we can't get him 9-A for the supersonic plane crash feat

Upgrade his Regen to Mid off the Nightmare Warriors ending, or High-Mid for Church of the Divine Psychopath ending

Slight revision but delete the line on his profile about Freddy reviving him. Freddy had no power at that point and the novel says Jason was just tricked into thinking he was alive and instantly revived when he realized he was not

 

[Raincutter]

@Qawsedf234 Thoughts?

 

[Vyfourthaccount]

So what I've gathered so far:

Separate into 3 separate profiles Human, Deadite, and Uber. Human Jason possibly gets basic deadite abilities due to the Part 9 retcon

FvJ and FvJvA Jason is 9-A for heavily scaling above Freddy's real world form and its tank feat, and possibly him crashing through the White House (?). Maybe reconsider the house feat as an outlier.

Add his haxes from the novels. Maybe bump him up to 9-B+ if we can't get him 9-A for the supersonic plane crash feat

Upgrade his Regen to Mid off the Nightmare Warriors ending, or High-Mid for Church of the Divine Psychopath ending

Slight revision but delete the line on his profile about Freddy reviving him. Freddy had no power at that point and the novel says Jason was just tricked into thinking he was alive and instantly revived when he realized he was not

Looking good so far and will hrk still be put in the profile?