I agree, DeMatteis quite consistent in developing the ideas he brings to comic writing at DC.
One, the comic itself states that DeMatteis owns the copyright and trademark in both comics. Anyone who has actual read the comic would see it in the fine print. Two, the "Magician" is Meher Baba. Using a real-world person's likeness in both comics doesn't make it canon to each other. If that's your proof, you're going to be in a rude of an awakening. It's an undeniable fact that DeMatteis owns Seekers and it by virtue isn't canonically apart of DC. In fact, it was also published under the Vertigo Imprint in 1996. That's 7 years after Doctor Fate.
It does since everything intertwines with the exception of DC characters which are God and Pralaya specifically his Creation.
Yes, like I already mentioned, Meher Baba is a real life person and DeMatteis used his likeness in both as in his spiritual belief, that's his god. That doesn't make them canon to each other. Maya doesn't exist in DC, outside of Forever People and she was just a mother box in there. Pralaya doesn't exist in Seekers. Seekers came after his Doctor Fate run. So not only is pralaya completely absent, Maya, written by DeMatteis in DC, is completely different. Shamaballa actually had a seekers accurate version of Maya in it.
How does this negate canonicity between works? He simply has the right to say at any time that this comic does not belong to Dc, but he didn’t do that, right?
This requires strong evidence of the author and publisher
When will people understand that Vertigo and Dc are the same universe, and that the characters of Vertigo appeared even before the appearance of Vertigo himself. Destine (Endless) appeared in the DC comics themselves, before the birth of Vertigo, does this make them different universes? Either Yahweh himself appeared partially in the Superman comics, or was indicated in Final Crisis as the God of Angels. Anti-life has appeared in Vertigo, and many other characters from DC comics.
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Creation being Low 1-A wouldn't make sense since we're scaling it from the inside as a structure. If Material was Creation and Heaven a completely different separate Dream then yes but it's all one layered Dream.
what comics are the quotes from
Seekers into the Mystery.
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I don’t think it’s fair to make an exception to how creator owned comics are treated on here just so you can use Seekers into Mystery to help your scaling. We don’t scale the Unwritten due to being creator owned so this should be treated the same way.
It was never needed. It just adds more to it since the other story basically does everything Seekers told. Quite a poisoning of the well there.
Well then you should remove it from your evidence pool in the post. Also I don’t know what you mean by “poisoning of the well” here.
That's Metal Lore.
The Seekers part are individuals in most cases. It doesn't need to be removed, it can be ignored.
Huh? Poisoning the well is when someone attacks someone else in attempt to discredit their arguments before they’re made. I didn’t do any of that. You were already begging for the creator owned comic to be included in the scaling and I responded saying that it wouldn’t be fair since we generally don’t treat creator owned comics that way.
“Begging” when you quoted something as to why using his creator-owned comics can work. Especially how similar they are, what I suggest is that we can do, I have no problem if we do not use it. You can see how you deliberately misconstrued everything I said.
Your reason was “Dematteis said his “God” is not a comic book character”, followed up with “I very much would love it, if we merged all his stories”…
All that illudes to begging apparently.
Exactly what's the problem? We don't use creator-owned, I was asking if we can do it. Like I said, it's not a problem if we don't.
It seems fine to me as well in that case.
The concepts themselves are similar. And the chronological events in Vertigo were transferred to Dc itself
Essentially.
This is his canon and how he writes.
Doesn't DeMatteis split reality into the physical and metaphysical?
Reality usually refers to the entire Dream though in some cases yes the split.
It could work but the mods are going to get a little weary of those ratings.
Spiritual worlds are higher than dreams
That’s not the point. Yes, he writes within the DC Universe but how he structures his Cosmology and writes is different from mainline DC. We don’t see beings like Pralaya or God or the Dream Theory.
In higher dreams, spiritual realms are perceived as material. There is a hierarchy, and the spiritual realms are just part of that hierarchy. Dream layers highlight a hierarchy that spans levels throughout all of creation.
