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Issues with scaling for the MHA verse
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That wasn't way later that was as soon as the dust settled like one page later, and he's never been able to regenerate his muscles that's just your headcannon he's never been stated to be able to do that. Your comparing his arm shield being at least 75% fine and we don't even see any blood either to indicate damage that could just be how it's coming out of his skin , which is usually how it's depicted anyway, versus it being completely broke through.
And your using that as an argument against me. Ok.
And your using that as an argument against me. Ok.
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The first 100% hit already broke his arm, his 100% getting weaker through the fight wouldn't have changed that.
After the 100% punch, Deku ran to save Kota, lifted him up to the mountain using his teeth, and had a conversation with him, at least half a minute should have passed between the punch and when we saw Muscular reappear.
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Ok, we already established muscular can't regenerate so time wouldn't matter here and there's no blood to show any sort of torn muscles, and it looks like it's retracting into his skin not getting bigger.Regardless he can't regenerate or do anything all he has his larger muscle fibers.
All he had is larger muscle fibers, and why would he grow more after the attack hits him, all his quirk gives him according to him "my quirk has such explosive power, that my muscle fibers can't even be contained in my skin".That's it, he can't grow more muscle fibers, and there not even broken in that shot to begin with we see no blood which I'd expect if muscle fibers were broken.
We don't even get any confirmation it broke his arm the first time, but that's not even the biggest thing it would do less successive damage to his arm. OFA isn't getting weaker here it's his arm and if it gets less damage the decrease of power of the blows would be less too.
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He literally can grow muscles out of nowhere, if they get destroyed he can regrow them back, if that's not some kind of regeneration then I don't know what that is.
The muscles were torn and falling apart and that's still a fact.
Deku stated that his previous 100% attacks wrecked his left arm, so even if he is stronger now, 100% still breaks his body.
Does that even matter though? My point is that Shigaraki clashed with a weakened Deku who have already used his arms countless times, and even with that he still couldn't defeat Deku with that Air Cannon, trying to find another Quirk that could help him defeat Deku.
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He doesn't grow new muscle fibers read his explanation of his quirk "My quirk's a muscle enhancer. These muscle fibers of mine, can't be contained even by my skin. They raise the standard in speed and power".
That's it no new muscle fibers come in here.
And that does matter because it means the weakening if it happened was negligible.
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Can we just get a neutral party to come in here who's neutral because you're clearly not and I'm clearly not neutral we know what our opinions on this are and they don't look like their changing.
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Is the boost of adrenaline stated to be about a 125% growth greater than the weakening from Deku's arm being broken.
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I never would have guessed that My Hero Academia would get a 7 page CRT on here.
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Cyborg arguing Shigaraki should fully scale to 7-B from 100% Deku because he was getting enhanced by adrenaline, making Deku no longer baseline.
My argument is that Deku's 100% got far weaker after he used his arms many, many tmes.
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Here's my argument shigaraki's air cannon could redirect an adrenaline enhanced texas smash from 100% Deku. Meaning he should at least downscale it to 7-B. It is confirmed adrenaline increased deku's strength by a factor 25%."Doctor's statement his strength is usually 80% goes to 100%"
My rebuttal: Is his arm is his arm getting weaker from the damage is less than the adrenaline boost as shown in the muscular fight.
My rebuttal: Is his arm is his arm getting weaker from the damage is less than the adrenaline boost as shown in the muscular fight.
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Deku hit Shigaraki with a Texas Smash before Shigaraki used Air Cannon though. Not only that, there's no evidence stating that adrenaline is amping him up this much. You're gonna have to prove he's being amped up to 125%.
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Sure in chapter 84 for reference "People's body usually have limiters to keep them from exceeding about 80% of their power" with adrenaline and life or death circumstances you can use 100%.(The 125% comes from math)
And Shigaraki clearly used air cannon as he notes he needs to use another quirk after the texas smash. and deku's hand is in pain after getting hit with it.
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Okay? That's only for NORMAL types of adrenaline. Deku is probably on adrenaline right now, sure. But it wouldn't enhance his One For All. The only time adrenaline affected his One For All is when for some reason he pulled off a 1,000,000% Smash, and even that isn't like normal adrenaline. It one-shotted Muscular and Adrenaline can't make you that strong.
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Wait why are we differentiating types. It's hysterical strength that's it. We get an indirect reference to it in the flashback during the beginning of the chapter. Remember the doctor specifically specified that the muscular wound was different and that was what would need 2 or 3 times to happen again to K.O Izuku's arm. It's why he can use the 100% full cowl in the movie and it's not a problem. It's clearly happening now.
Horikoshi himself brings it up during a volume chapter.
And in real life that happens you ever heard of mothers being able to save their children because of car's falling on them look it up.
How it’s possible for an ordinary person to lift a car
In a handful of unusual cases, people have tapped into a normally inaccessible super-strength – a hidden Hercules. What’s going on?
www.bbc.com
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First of all, Horikoshi stated it was similar to hysterical strength, not the same. Hysterical strength only unlocks 20% more of your power. Not really enough to one-shot someone who was kicking your ass before. However, Deku's "hysterical" strength amplified his quirk, which does not match up with how hysterical strength works in the real world and one-shoted Muscular.Wait why are we differentiating types. It's hysterical strength that's it. We get an indirect reference to it in the flashback during the beginning of the chapter. Remember the doctor specifically specified that the muscular wound was different and that was what would need 2 or 3 times to happen again to K.O Izuku's arm. It's why he can use the 100% full cowl in the movie and it's not a problem. It's clearly happening now.
Horikoshi himself brings it up during a volume chapter.
And in real life that happens you ever heard of mothers being able to save their children because of car's falling on them look it up.
How it’s possible for an ordinary person to lift a car
In a handful of unusual cases, people have tapped into a normally inaccessible super-strength – a hidden Hercules. What’s going on?
And people can't lift that much weight. That's impossible. People lifted cars like that by only lifting portions of the vehicles, which is way less impressive than simply lifting the entire thing.
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Ok regardless Deku's clearly using that here they reference it in the chapter, as the doctor said the muscular wound was completely different and if that type of wound happened it would be 2 or 3 more times its K.O, which is referenced at the beginning of the chapter to say hey he's using hysterical strength(or his version anyway).
He broke his arm the normal way in the movies and it was fine because it wasn't the hysterical strength thing.
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The doctor said that Deku was in a constant state of fight or flight and used 100% too much. It wasn't the 1,000,000 Smash he was referring to, he was referring to him using 100% of One For All too much. It's literally stated that he was referring to his rapid use of 100%. So that argument falls flat.
This proves that the 1,000,000 Smash is an entirely different subject, to begin with.
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Actually I believe you might have misread that seen he said it was both "This incident saw you operating at power levels far beyond your capacity .. for a long duration too." It's not the just the time its the intensity as well.
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But we can't just ignore the fact that he was talking about it being a long time period. This hints to the fact that he was referring to him using 100% to much, in his first Smash, and the power struggle against Muscular.
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Yeah its both and Deku was clearly using it for a longer period then even muscular , and at a higher intensity as this situation was significantly more dire. It doesn't need to be mutually exclusive in fact its the combination that's important/
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It's more likely he was referring to 100% still. It's also stated that Deku is only using 100% of One For All here, not 1,000,000%, so that also disproves the theory of him using adrenaline to boosts his Smashes.
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He mentions them both so why is it more unlikely he mentions hysterical strength and then brings up the exceeded limits why would it be just that.
In fact as a dispoof of that during movie he used 100% full cowl for an extended period and it wasn't a problem.
, and the 1,000,000% received backlash so much that the author had to put a comment in the volume page about it that's why he probably didn't write deku says 1,000,000%
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He doesn't mention both. He's referring to him using 100% to much throughout the fight. This is just Ad Nauseum on your part since I've already proven this. And Deku's physical body was amplified by Katsuma's quirk, otherwise his body wouldn't even be able to withstand Full Cowling 100%. If his arms break from using 100% what do you think the damage would be to his body when uses Full Cowling at that level?
Okay? What does Horikoshi commenting about this prove? It doesn't prove the doctor was referring to 1,000,000% Deku here.
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The doctor directly mentions hysterical strength there and horikoshi says hysterical strength is what Deku went through that's not conjecture that's statements. Deku's arm was still broken and the boost from from Katsuma still destroyed his body significantly.Especially since the boost from Katsuma was permanent if it significantly improved his body then it would have been seen later in the story.
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He mentioned hysterical strength, but he wasn't focused on 1,000,000%, that's not what he was talking about. He said that Deku pushed himself to use 100% too many times and it bit him in the ass. It literally states that it's because he used 100% too much. Not just because he used 1,000,000. This is just Ad Nauseum from you.
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can someone summarize what is being discussed rn
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Pretty quickly here's what's being discussed:
-Was Deku using 1,000,000%(hysterical strength)?
-If so, was it weakened to the point that it'd be weaker than a 100% punch?
-Was Deku using 1,000,000%(hysterical strength)?
-If so, was it weakened to the point that it'd be weaker than a 100% punch?
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I suggest we just treat this like his standard 100%, if he was under that same boost it'll be stated later on.
Let's be real, there is no way to answer this unless it's stated in the series.
This's just going to keep going back and fourth.
Unless we hold of on any revisions until this arc comes to an ends, basically we put this on pause?
Let's be real, there is no way to answer this unless it's stated in the series.
This's just going to keep going back and fourth.
Unless we hold of on any revisions until this arc comes to an ends, basically we put this on pause?
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this seems reasonable to me
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So if doctors state after this arc ends that this same sort of injury happened at the end of the arc, sure, I'm cool with that. We can pause those questions till then. This arc will probably be over by January/February.
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7 Pages of this already... Of the same topic... Geez you guys are passionate
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Tbf we hit like 6 pages on that base Deku thread
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When it comes to these discussions, I'm more interested in MHA speed calcs compared to AP calcs. At least with AP, everything is clearly on the page just that people have disagreements. I find the speed way more vague in the series. Apart from a few sonic booms here and there, there aren't many clear cut speed feats like dodging bullets or something.
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mirio has a few possible bullet timing reaction feats, deku has a clear cut one from the first film, and kirishima has one as well if i recall
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Kirishima does have a bullet timing feat, We also had shoto’s Ice walls, Edgeshot statements, Hawks out speeding Deku and Bakugo from the top of a skyscraper, O’Clock and Number 6 in General, Wolframs Giant cube seemingly making a sonic boom stuff like that(probably was just a shockwave) and Kaminari’s Electricity.
Although ofc there are still people who refuse to accept Supersonic MHA and still think All Might and All for One are the only ones above Mach 1.
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Can you blame them though?
I know reaction speed and travel speed are seen as different, but we have Horikoshi giving someone like Machia a 100 km/per hour statement, when he's hyped as really fast. But what's funny is he has the pilot explain that Mirko and Hawks would be faster than his plane.
The slowest jet in the world, has a maximum speed of 200 km/per hour, which is two times faster than Machia.
Also Machia really did travel at that speed, since Burnin stated they've been fighting the Near High-Ends for over half an hour. And Machia began running there before Shigaraki called them. It would take 48 minutes to travel 80 kilometers so... yeah he likely did take that long.
And with All Might having a 5 kilometer per 3 second statement, while it is stated to be slow for him, it's still far faster than Gran Torino who called him too fast.
Without any calcs or movie feats, this is all they have to go on.
I know reaction speed and travel speed are seen as different, but we have Horikoshi giving someone like Machia a 100 km/per hour statement, when he's hyped as really fast. But what's funny is he has the pilot explain that Mirko and Hawks would be faster than his plane.
The slowest jet in the world, has a maximum speed of 200 km/per hour, which is two times faster than Machia.
Also Machia really did travel at that speed, since Burnin stated they've been fighting the Near High-Ends for over half an hour. And Machia began running there before Shigaraki called them. It would take 48 minutes to travel 80 kilometers so... yeah he likely did take that long.
And with All Might having a 5 kilometer per 3 second statement, while it is stated to be slow for him, it's still far faster than Gran Torino who called him too fast.
Without any calcs or movie feats, this is all they have to go on.
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Characters literally react to bullets in the show though. It’s genuinely strange that people ignore all that in favour of saying only AM is above Mach 1 when the AFO statement implies he took less than 30 seconds to cross 5km.
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Fair enough the statements hallariously downplay these characters.In general it feels like a lot Hori just writes what he thinks would be impressive Irl because someone as big as Machia running at 100km/h pretty sure the KE wouldn’t be the best but it would be problem.
Although it is annoying every once in a while where you have someone say that 50m in 4 seconds feat for BoS Bakugo and they’ll use that to say current manga Bakugo is slow in combat speed.
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