Issues with scaling for the MHA verse

[CyborgSakumo]

How this even ruin the scaling?

All of the hospital high ends would get Low 7-B and that's an issue because then Mirko, Crust get it too.

And Damage's argument is valid because those two characters are numerous times mentioned to be the top tier of the verse. Muscular is an exception because he's actively mentioned to be on the same level.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Yes, it makes sense since Overhaul's Monster Form was able to take hits from 100% Deku despite being just Katsukame's body fused with concrete.

Deku could've and likely was holding back as harming Overhaul was never the problem for him it was approaching and making it stick and we see this with Deku emphasising what he needs from 100% is speed (plus it makes no sense how Overhaul's main body didn't die from a 100% punch when 8% harmed him earlier and 20% broke his fusion's arms.

 

[Therefir]

Also wait when did Nejire block Dabi's flashfire? She just got hit didn't she?

Check chapter 292 page 5-6, she used a energy shield to block Dabi's Flashfire Fist, it didn't fully block it but it was enough for her to survive.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I don't believe she blocked it, that energy was already on her hands from when she was going to hit Shigaraki.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Am I the only one just on principle not for Nejire scaling above AM in any way.

 

[Therefir]

All of the hospital high ends would get Low 7-B and that's an issue because then Mirko, Crust get it too.

And Damage's argument is valid because those two characters are numerous times mentioned to be the top tier of the verse. Muscular is an exception because he's actively mentioned to be on the same level.

Near High-Ends were stated to be as strong as the one that Endeavor fought, so of course the complete High-Ends in the hospital should scale as well.

The ones stated to be top tiers are prime All Might and Prime AFO, and Muscular suffered a massive injury in his face caused by veteran Pro Heroes despite being as durable as a weakened All Might.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Check chapter 292 page 5-6, she used a energy shield to block Dabi's Flashfire Fist, it didn't fully block it but it was enough for her to survive.

It looks like she just had energy gathered from the previous page but I can't say for sure so I'll drop it

 

[TheRustyOne]

Woah, where is Low 7-B Nejire coming from?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Am I the only one just on principle not for Nejire scaling above AM in any way.

Not just you.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Woah, where is Low 7-B Nejire coming from?

That was my reaction.

 

[Earthyboy]

Do we really need Deku to scale Shigaraki? Now that Nejire has Low 7-B+ feats for defeating a Near High-End and blocking Dabi's Flashfire Fist, Shigaraki overpowering Ryukyu and heavily damaging her would be 7-B feat by its own (Since she scales from Nejire).

I think we should just continue with the revision instead of waiting for information that we may not even get.

Why are we scaling the High-End's to Low 7-B+ again?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Woah, where is Low 7-B Nejire coming from?

She pinned a NHE and seemingly beat it

 

[Damage3245]

Woah, where is Low 7-B Nejire coming from?

I think people are starting to lose their minds over these revisions.

IMO we need to go back from scratch and re-tier the verse from the beginning, because right now there are so many faults and flaws.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Why are the NHE Low 7-B? Where did we agree on Hood/Endeavor being Low 7-B?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Why are we scaling the High-End's to Low 7-B+ again?

Because of Air Cannon and Endeavor

 

[Earthyboy]

Why are the NHE Low 7-B? Where did we agree on Hood/Endeavor being Low 7-B?

I'm wondering the same thing. When did Hood/Endeavor become Low 7-B? AFO was casual on Endeavor.

 

[Therefir]

Has everyone already forgotten Nejire overpowered a Near High-End in chapter 292? The same Near High-Ends that were compared to Hood? Like bruh, if you think that's an outlier that's fine by me, but don't just ignore feats.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I think people are starting to lose their minds over these revisions.

IMO we need to go back from scratch and re-tier the verse from the beginning, because right now there are so many faults and flaws.

At this point I feel like we should have another look at majority of the verse

 

[Metalballrun]

Near High-Ends were stated to be as strong as the one that Endeavor fought, so of course the complete High-Ends in the hospital should scale as well.

The ones stated to be top tiers are prime All Might and Prime AFO, and Muscular suffered a massive injury in his face caused by veteran Pro Heroes despite being as durable as a weakened All Might.

We don't know how Muscular got injured by Water Hose, and currently his profile states that his durability varies depending on his use (or not use) of Muscle Augmentation.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Yeah let's start at the beginning people, take it one step at a time.

Honestly I think maybe we should make a new thread, Damage I take it you have some revisions in mind already?

 

[Earthyboy]

Because of Air Cannon and Endeavor

Why are we assuming AFO was going all out on Endeavor? For the most part he seemed pretty casual. In fact, he was stated to be holding back for the majority of the fight.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Let's not talk about Endeavor, Shigaraki, AFO, and whoever right now.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Yeah let's start at the beginning people, take it one step at a time.

Honestly I think maybe we should make a new thread, Damage I take it you have some revisions in mind already?

Can we wait until we know where exactly Shigaraki scales because his scaling will affect the majority of the verse?

 

[Therefir]

I'm wondering the same thing. When did Hood/Endeavor become Low 7-B? AFO was casual on Endeavor.

Casual? AFO used an enhanced Air Cannon he was planning to use against All Might.

Why he would even hold back against Endeavor anyway?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Why are we assuming AFO was going all out on Endeavor? For the most part he seemed pretty casual. In fact, he was stated to be holding back for the majority of the fight.

Because it was initially an attack meant for All Might. Plus the attack defaults to Low 7B if we do drop the 7C Air Cannon

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah let's start at the beginning people, take it one step at a time.

Honestly I think maybe we should make a new thread, Damage I take it you have some revisions in mind already?

I have some ideas.

Finding a good starting point is probably the most difficult part though.

 

[Damage3245]

Because it was initially an attack meant for All Might. Plus the attack defaults to Low 7B if we do drop the 7C Air Cannon

Why would we drop 7-C Air Cannon?

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Why would we drop 7-C Air Cannon?

Because Shigaraki's air cannon clashed with 100%.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Shigaraki's stats has literally nothing to do with the majority of characters, those are god/top tiers which will be handled later.

The 7-C calc is just wrong as well.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Why would we drop 7-C Air Cannon?

I didn't say we should but it was argued at an earlier point in this thread but I can't recall why.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Shigaraki's stats has literally nothing to do with the majority of characters, those are god/top tiers which will be handled later.

The 7-C calc is just wrong as well.

What's wrong with the Air Cannon calc?

 

[Earthyboy]

Casual?? AFO used an enhanced Air Cannon he was planning to use against All Might.

Why he would even hold back against Endeavor anyway?

Yes, the Air Canon was enhanced, but that doesn't mean he was going full power. Like, is there proof he went all out? It was enhanced sure but that doesn't mean it was the limit to the enhanced version.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I have some ideas.

Finding a good starting point is probably the most difficult part though.

We could start with the students or perhaps the mid tiers first

 

[TheRustyOne]

What's wrong with the Air Cannon calc?

I disagree with how the depth was measured, it's inflated. The actual results would be lower.

If Damage finds a good starting point, he should make a new thread, this one is rather long enough as it is.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

Shigaraki scales somewhat to 100%(Adrenaline or not will be decided)

Endeavor somewhat scales Shigaraki

Hood Scales Endeavor

Hood is going to end up scaling the majority of upper mid tiers of the verse it looks like

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

I disagree with how the depth was measured, it's inflated. The actual results would be lower.

If Damage finds a good starting point, he should make a new thread, this one is rather long enough as it is.

I see is it because of the half ellipsoid used or pixel scaling?

 

[TheRustyOne]

Hood is going to end up scaling the majority of the verse it looks like.

The students are the majority of the verse, and I don't see why anyone scales to the NHE besides "possibly" Nejire.

She would get a new key if that happens and no one currently scales to her.

 

[Therefir]

I disagree with how the depth was measured, it's inflated. The actual results would be lower.

There are entire buildings inside the crater, the scaling I used is weird but I don't believe it's that inflated.

Either way I thought we agreed in dropping that calc.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I see is it because of the half ellipsoid used or pixel scaling?

The px scaling, the depth of the crater is in no way 16 meters. We see other shots of the crater's depth and it is far lower.

 

[CyborgSakumo]

The students are the majority of the verse, and I don't see why anyone scales to the NHE besides "possibly" Nejire.

She would get a new key if that happens and no one currently scales to her.

I agree with new key Nejire, if we do that then sure.