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Issues with scaling for the MHA verse

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Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Characters literally react to bullets in the show though. It’s genuinely strange that people ignore all that in favour of saying only AM is above Mach 1 when the AFO statement implies he took less than 30 seconds to cross 5km.
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People ignore a lot of feats in order to downplay MHA like on other platforms I’ve seen people Unironically say 100% Deku with wank is 8-B City block busting)

I’ll even pull up the Storm Dispersal Dual Detroit Smash Feat for them they’ll say the feat is like Town level like what.(Like I know we don’t consider the feat valid but yikes the shockwave literally extends for Tens of Kilometers what more do you want)It feels like people want MHA characters to start one shotting cities before they can believe they’re even above 8-A

Maybe we can have prime Deku make a multi continental shockwave One Punch man Style for people to listen.Although I doubt such a feat will occur.
Final Note:This discussion should be in the general thread since it barely relates to this one
 
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I'll say for speed the characters who are genuinely faster than sound is anyone who scales to Endeavor Training arc Bakugo, so 10-15% Deku and even Flashfire Todoroki. I remember Endeavor Training arc was the first time Bakugo ever made a sonic boom with speed. Characters like Hawks and Mirko, even Endeavor with Flashfire Steps (which he rarely uses) should scale to or above this.

As for what I was saying about bullet speed, I know many characters have reacted to bullets, even Kirishima but in most verses even characters without powers can react to bullets. It's not the same as let's say outpacing bullets, or catching multiple bullets from mid-air.

As for Machia, I still think the 100km/hr is the speed at which he was tearing through the city, not his ordinary running speed when there are zero obstacles on the way cause I remember him being way faster in MVA, at least the distance he covered was more than 80km and no one even saw him, so he might be way faster when he isn't focused on destruction.
 
Best to save the discussion in the general thread, but Machia is stated to move faster underground, which he couldn't do here because he needed to bring the League.
 
There's actually SOME speed stuff to go off. In Chapter 18 or 17, Deku stated he could deliver a shock to the surface of the water to create a whirlpool. We can infer that he's talking about the shockwave from his Delaware Smash. As you all know, shockwaves travel at Mach speeds. Deku even stated Shigaraki created a shockwave when moving, IMPLYING that he's at least capable of traveling at Mach 1.

There's a lot more speed stuff outside of calculations but I digress.
 
Yeah, the shockwave stuff is already a given but it won't give anything above what sonic booms already give.

The thing is now, by manga timeline, someone like Bakugo surpassed sound speed ages ago so it would be good to get a new measurement other than "faster than sound".
 
Earthyboy said:
There's actually SOME speed stuff to go off. In Chapter 18 or 17, Deku stated he could deliver a shock to the surface of the water to create a whirlpool. We can infer that he's talking about the shockwave from his Delaware Smash. As you all know, shockwaves travel at Mach speeds. Deku even stated Shigaraki created a shockwave when moving, IMPLYING that he's at least capable of traveling at Mach 1.

There's a lot more speed stuff outside of calculations but I digress.
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We also have Nine casually blocking Air Force shockwaves after they’re fired.
Other wise there’s few dodging feats of people evading Air Force in the main series.

There is also Deku and Bakugo’s Storm busting shockwave going from the ground to the sky in like 2-3 seconds not sure on the exact distance but I’m guessing hypersonic results eyeballing that feat.
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
We also have Nine casually blocking Air Force shockwaves after they’re fired.
Other wise there’s few dodging feats of people evading Air Force in the main series.

There is also Deku and Bakugo’s Storm busting shockwave going from the ground to the sky in like 2-3 seconds not sure on the exact distance but I’m guessing hypersonic results eyeballing that feat.
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Yeah but considering that feat's an outlier than it probably won't matter.
 
Earthyboy said:
There's actually SOME speed stuff to go off. In Chapter 18 or 17, Deku stated he could deliver a shock to the surface of the water to create a whirlpool. We can infer that he's talking about the shockwave from his Delaware Smash. As you all know, shockwaves travel at Mach speeds. Deku even stated Shigaraki created a shockwave when moving, IMPLYING that he's at least capable of traveling at Mach 1.

There's a lot more speed stuff outside of calculations but I digress.
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Actually wait does Deku shoot pressurised air or shock waves?
 
Insert_creative_name_here_12 said:
Actually wait does Deku shoot pressurised air or shock waves?
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They are most likely shockwaves due to the definition of pressurized air.
Compressed air is a gas, or a combination of gases, that has been put under greater pressure than the air in the general environment. ... Compressed air in spray cans (sometimes called canned air ) is often used to clean things that are especially delicate or sensitive, such as keyboards or the inside of computer cases.

It’s impossible for Deku to put the air under pressure with the Air Force guantlets seems more like focused shockwaves.Im pretty sure Mei mentions that Deku wants the Air Force guantlets so he doesn’t damage the environment and have the shockwave spread out in a cone esque shape
 
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Jackof_noTrades068 said:
So basically anyone in the series who can generate shockwave with their movements are undeniably Supersonic even without calcs.
Like All might Shiggy and 20% Deku?
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Yeah, it'd be pretty hard to argue against since shockwaves by default are at least Mach 1.1 or higher. Basically, any collision which is shown to be powerful enough to break concrete around the whole area would be some form of shockwave I think.
 
Earthyboy said:
There's been issues with that because I couldn't find the correct timeframe, but I have an idea on where to go with it now.
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The main thing I could think of Is assume a reasonable speed for Torino(Superhuman Subsonic etc)
Pixel scale the distance between Torino and Shiggy(It looked very small)
Use the speed and distance to calc timeframe.
 
Do we really need Deku to scale Shigaraki? Now that Nejire has Low 7-B+ feats for defeating a Near High-End and blocking Dabi's Flashfire Fist, Shigaraki overpowering Ryukyu and heavily damaging her would be 7-B feat by its own (Since she scales from Nejire).

I think we should just continue with the revision instead of waiting for information that we may not even get.
 
Therefir said:
Do we really need Deku to scale Shigaraki? Now that Nejire has Low 7-B+ feats for defeating a Near High-End and blocking Dabi's Flashfire Fist, Shigaraki overpowering Ryukyu and heavily damaging her would be 7-B feat by its own (Since she scales from Nejire).

I think we should just continue with the revision instead of waiting for information that we may not even get.
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We've already waited this long, we'll get the information on Deku's injuries within a few chapters, if we don't get the information then sure.

Though, I'm not really for nejire getting those Low 7-B+ feats as I don't know when she defeats a high-end she just slows it down that's stated that they can't beat the near high ends and Dabi's flashfire flames ignores durability.
 
Therefir said:
Do we really need Deku to scale Shigaraki? Now that Nejire has Low 7-B+ feats for defeating a Near High-End and blocking Dabi's Flashfire Fist, Shigaraki overpowering Ryukyu and heavily damaging her would be 7-B feat by its own (Since she scales from Nejire).

I think we should just continue with the revision instead of waiting for information that we may not even get.
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So Katsukame and Ryukyu are Low 7B now right?
 
Nejire overpowered a Near High-End in chapter 295 page 12-13. She was also able to knock out a weakened Shigaraki alongside Todoroki's Flashfire Fist, and both of their Quirks were considered to be powerful by AFO.

Dabi's Flashfire Fist would be scaling from Endeavor's Hellflame, which has Low 7-B+ force for cancelling AFO's Air Cannon.

We've already waited this long, we'll get the information on Deku's injuries within a few chapters.
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It just feels like a waste of time, we already know that Deku has probably been under the effects of adrenaline during most of the fight, but even with that there's no way to know how it affects his 100%, since adrenaline only increases his base strength.
 
Therefir said:
Do we really need Deku to scale Shigaraki? Now that Nejire has Low 7-B+ feats for defeating a Near High-End and blocking Dabi's Flashfire Fist, Shigaraki overpowering Ryukyu and heavily damaging her would be 7-B feat by its own (Since she scales from Nejire).

I think we should just continue with the revision instead of waiting for information that we may not even get.
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Also wait when did Nejire block Dabi's flashfire? She just got hit didn't she?
 
Therefir said:
Nejire overpowered a Near High-End in chapter 295 page 12-13. She was also able to knock out a weakened Shigaraki alongside Todoroki's Flashfire Fist, and both of their Quirks were considered to be powerful by AFO.

Dabi's Flashfire Fist would be scaling from Endeavor's Hellflame, which has Low 7-B+ force for cancelling AFO's Air Cannon.


It just feels like a waste of time, we already know that Deku has probably been under the effects of adrenaline during most of the fight, but even with that there's no way to know how it affects his 100%, since adrenaline only increases his base strength.
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There’s a thing called outliers dude. This would just ruin the scaling
 
I don't remember Endeavor's Hellflame cancelling out AFO's Air Cannon. I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. All For One was blasting away Endeavor's flames with Air Cannon.

There is no way that Nejire is on par with weakened All Might and All For One.
 
Therefir said:
Nejire overpowered a Near High-End in chapter 295 page 12-13. She was also able to knock out a weakened Shigaraki alongside Todoroki's Flashfire Fist, and both of their Quirks were considered to be powerful by AFO.

Dabi's Flashfire Fist would be scaling from Endeavor's Hellflame, which has Low 7-B+ force for cancelling AFO's Air Cannon.


It just feels like a waste of time, we already know that Deku has probably been under the effects of adrenaline during most of the fight, but even with that there's no way to know how it affects his 100%, since adrenaline only increases his base strength.
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Knocking out a weakened Shigaraki who by AFO's own admission was close to death is not a feat, AFO can call a quirk strong but he called Best Jeanist's quirk strong too and he still one shot him casually.



Adrenaline affects his strength in the Muscular fight and it increases it by an order of Magnitude that's blatantly clear.
 
Damage3245 said:
I don't remember Endeavor's Hellflame cancelling out AFO's Air Cannon. I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. All For One was blasting away Endeavor's flames with Air Cannon.

There is no way that Nejire is on par with weakened All Might and All For One.
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Both attacks cancelled each other, AFO's Air Cannon couldn't reach Endeavor as well.

What? This is like saying there's no way Muscular is stronger than weakened All Might and AFO, not even an argument.
 
Damage3245 said:
I don't remember Endeavor's Hellflame cancelling out AFO's Air Cannon. I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. All For One was blasting away Endeavor's flames with Air Cannon.
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The argument is that Air Cannon shouldn't have been overwhelmingly stronger than Hellflame or else it would've blasted through and hit Endeavor.
While Air Cannon is probably stronger, Hellflame wasn't really that much weaker so it downscales I believe.
 
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