Isekai Maou Verse OVERHAUL Part 1: Cosmology

[TheGenghistKhan]

Could you elaborate on why the Spear of Helvetia's statement is in reference to the worlds of the Interstice or something along those lines?

I forgot to mention there's also the usage of "Sanzen Daisen Sekai" to refer to the "countless worlds and universes" of the verse, and as previously discussed, this alone doesn't warrant scaling the Interstice to 2-A, but when combined with the phrasing of "predetermined infinity" and other references to Buddhist cosmology like Rinne, it all points towards the author trying to convey that the number of horizontal macrocosms is indeed at least countably infinite.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Then I'm fine with 2-A.

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

Then I'm fine with 2-A.

sounds good, vote added.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Added. Thanks for the help

season 2 of the anime needs to come out

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

season 2 of the anime needs to come out

Season two of Isekai Maou did come out, like ages ago

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Season two of Isekai Maou did come out, like ages ago

I ment season 3

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

I ment season 3

We definitely aren't getting a season 3, given how they butchered the chronological ordering of events from the LN in the second season. Season 2 also wasn't nearly as popular as the first unfortunately. I'd always be happy for more content, but it's a pipe dream. I recommend reading the LN's if you haven't already, volume 14 is the latest release and it leaves off on a huge expansion of the verse, which is where most of this cosmology scaling comes from.

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

bump

 

[Omazio2019]

I'll go with "2-B, possibly/likely 2-A"

—Bubbles.

Each bubble represented a world. There were countless worlds in existence. Diablo expanded on this imagery. Then, piercing through one bubble to reach another... A blade that traversed worlds.

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

I'll go with "2-B, possibly/likely 2-A"

Are you saying this in reference to the scaling of the Interstice, or to the AP of the Dimension Blast spell?

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

@Omazio2019

Assuming you're talking about the scaling of the Interstice Between Worlds, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of one of the key pieces of evidence I provided. Most descriptions of the verse's scaling like the one you've shown use descriptions like "countless worlds" which on its own isn't enough to solidify the verse as being 2-A.

However, when taken alongside the description of the Lance of Helvetia, which states that it is "unbound by memories of a predetermined infinity", I think the many uses of the descriptor "countless" can be framed as being infinite. I exposited on this further in my initial post as well as somewhere else in the thread if you want more specifics such as the original kanji. Let me know if you would be willing to agree with a 2-A Interstice with this in mind.

 

[Omazio2019]

@Omazio2019

Assuming you're talking about the scaling of the Interstice Between Worlds, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of one of the key pieces of evidence I provided. Most descriptions of the verse's scaling like the one you've shown use descriptions like "countless worlds" which on its own isn't enough to solidify the verse as being 2-A.

However, when taken alongside the description of the Lance of Helvetia, which states that it is "unbound by memories of a predetermined infinity", I think the many uses of the descriptor "countless" can be framed as being infinite. I exposited on this further in my initial post as well as somewhere else in the thread if you want more specifics such as the original kanji. Let me know if you would be willing to agree with a 2-A Interstice with this in mind.

I've looked into the "memories of a predetermined infinity" (無限記憶), there is a katakana caption next to it アカシャ (Akasha), I believe this refer to the Akashic Record or the records of infinite events of world, with the mention of "countless possibilities" of world right above, most likely the "countless" here is more than a finite number, though is there anything point out the number of possibilities corresponds to the number of worlds? If there is, I can see the Interstice as 2-A with no prob.

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

I've looked into the "memories of a predetermined infinity" (無限記憶), there is a katakana caption next to it アカシャ (Akasha), I believe this refer to the Akashic Record or the records of infinite events of world, with the mention of "countless possibilities" of world right above, most likely the "countless" here is more than a finite number, though is there anything point out the number of possibilities corresponds to the number of worlds? If there is, I can see the Interstice as 2-A with no prob.

I would say given the context of Klem stating that their “world exists in a stream of countless possibilities", and then in reference to God she says "There are futures where this one is free to do as it pleases, and some where It's reduced to a mutilated body", that it seems to be implied that the number of "worlds" is at least countably infinite. Generally speaking, any type of multiverse that is formed around the idea of different branching futures is bare minimum countably infinite in scope. It's possible that it could scale even higher but there isn't enough salient evidence to make that claim, that's why I feel 2-A is a pretty acceptable scaling. Let me know if you agree or if you want more examples.

 

[Omazio2019]

Hmmm~~ Aye then

 

[TheGenghistKhan]

Hmmm~~ Aye then

Your support is much appreciated. I also have a CRT for Diablo's speed and range, if you want to check that out also it'd be a big help

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

2-A seems good.