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Isaac vs Rick
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Isaac tike stops and chaos cards Rick
Unless he has something good
Unless he has something good
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Rick gets all of his inventions. All of them.
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So Low 2-C? yeah...
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Both characters have items to one shot each other so I think the match is fine.
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Rick got Type 4 Immortality. Isaac can't kill him.
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Isaac can incap.
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It's definitely not in character for him to incap
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Why wouldn't it be?
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Did you ever see Isaac incapping someone?
How can he incap Rick anyway? He has precog, also has timehax, Low 2-C AP, his wall of hax, et cetera et cetera
How can he incap Rick anyway? He has precog, also has timehax, Low 2-C AP, his wall of hax, et cetera et cetera
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Yes? There's no reason why Isaac wouldn't use his items. He can incap with transmutation and sealing. Flush can transmute Rick instantly, Isaac can freeze time, ressurect himself or restart the fight if he messes up, and have buddies to help hin out.
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Forgot to equalize speed.
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Doesn't Flush work only on the weaker enemies? It doesn't work on bosses, and Rick as a universal guy should be counted as a "boss enemy"
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Obvious game mechanics.
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One question - does Rick resists death manip or time stop?
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As far as I know, no.
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Then Isaac time stops, and either turns him into gold, into poop (Just noticed Rick has garbage level durability) or seals him
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@Moritzva
It's obvious that his own ability doesn't affect him yeah?
It's obvious that his own ability doesn't affect him yeah?
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This is both unthought and bias, Isaac doesn't have a higher chance of defeating Rick via incapacitation before Rick may
- defeat him with anything
- or fail, get killed, try again and win
- or fail, get killed, try again and repeat the process until making it right
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I mean, Isaac can time stop with Pause instantly, and during the time stop do anything he wants to.
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I also forgot the fact that Isaac deals passive damage
And this is what Rick is going to deal with, and possibly not even close, because this Isaac here also has all spacebar items.
And this is what Rick is going to deal with, and possibly not even close, because this Isaac here also has all spacebar items.
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Kid beats up some old man who /r/whowouldwin legitimately believes could 10/10 all of fiction FRA
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4 more votes for Isaac.
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TFW Isaac beats a Low 2-C
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I see a contradiction and then a false equivalence.
Then Isaac doesn't incapacitate at all, it would kill and give Rick the opportunity to deal with it better.SpookyShadow said:
This ignores so many things it's not even funny, Rick's resurrection gives an extraordinary genius time to deal with his enemy better, Rick's not going to just try again without caring if he dies more times, he's going to counter everything he saw, he could even analyze Isaac to know everything he has. All those "FRA" would need to make up a lot of sh*t to say how the hell would Isaac take this, such is their validity.Kriskirby said:
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I mean he could stomp a low 1-CSpookyShadow said:
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Nothing still stops Isaac from using transmutation.
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The analysis done for this match would look like that, really. Rick could kill him from kilometers away, from space and from other universes, he can make stuff to counter that or just attack first. Isaac doesn't know the mechanics of Rick's resurrection so he has no way of knowing he has to use that, nor would that matter as all the passive stuff shown above would kill an incapacitated Rick.
And this is all just assuming Rick makes 0 use of a death crystal or gadget with Information Analysis right at the beginning. Or that he wouldn't nuke part of the planet where Isaac is.
And this is all just assuming Rick makes 0 use of a death crystal or gadget with Information Analysis right at the beginning. Or that he wouldn't nuke part of the planet where Isaac is.
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Not sure why is range would be an issue since off the bat, Isaac can easily transmutate during the start and Rick cannot do anything about it. It works pretty much instantly. And I'm not sure how Rick will bypass it, it's not a projectile nor is it something Isaac needs to aim with. He uses it, and it works. Isaac can also just stop time and seal Rick with the friendly ball. Sure Isaac can one shot for Rick to ressurect himself, but I see no reason why Isaac won't use his items. The Void is capable of using these at the same time, it could even likely absorb all of Rick's inventions.
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It is right above what you said, Rick can outrange him if he feels like it, "Rick cannot do anything about it" is a possibility, not a fact, and it goes away after the first time that happens. Again just outrange that works to bypass it, attack first does the same and Rick can send some robot to kill him or make himself immune to it. He's not going to suddenly not being able to counter some powers because they don't come as projectiles. The stuff Isaac can do to win was already said and it is shown in his profile, the problem with them said above is yet to be fixed.
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I'd also like to add that if Rick does indeed come back and/or kill Isaac, it immediately inflicts Charm and Fear (Empathic and Fear manip respectively), giving Isaac the chance to incap once he ressurects and realizes he can't kill him. The slowing of time and supernatural luck (which for some reason is not on his profile) further benefits him, and he also gets the occasional Mind Manip and Petrification by chance.
Rick's Information Analysis also never really gave him an idea of an opponent's powers and abilities, rather it just shows him the measurement of evil, who has a clear shot at him, and an idea of where someone's hiding on a planet. Death Crystals also don't let him foresee getting incapped.
Mind that everything I've talked about thus far doesn't even require Isaac to move a finger.
Rick's Information Analysis also never really gave him an idea of an opponent's powers and abilities, rather it just shows him the measurement of evil, who has a clear shot at him, and an idea of where someone's hiding on a planet. Death Crystals also don't let him foresee getting incapped.
Mind that everything I've talked about thus far doesn't even require Isaac to move a finger.
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Rick would likely notice that upon himself and do something about it.
>"realizes he can't kill him"
What thought process would make him deduct this tho? As far as he knows this is other Rick, which it is, it may not even come as human but animal/object humanoid. But this is all assuming that Rick would go uninformed in a round 2, which is as unlikely as it sounds, and also face to face with someone who just used a sh*t ton of projectiles.
>"realizes he can't kill him"
What thought process would make him deduct this tho? As far as he knows this is other Rick, which it is, it may not even come as human but animal/object humanoid. But this is all assuming that Rick would go uninformed in a round 2, which is as unlikely as it sounds, and also face to face with someone who just used a sh*t ton of projectiles.
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I mean... either Rick gets petrified/transmuted or dies passively infinitely
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He has a point, Rick is definitely not dumb enough to go in close again twice. But I still wonder how either would know about each other's resurrection with that range gapSpookyShadow said:
Rick's wincons: BFR, Time Stop, Sealing, Transmutation, Possession, Mind Control
Isaac's wincons: Transmutation, Petrification, Time Manip, Sealing, Empathic Manip, Mind Manip, Fear manip
I suppose if both WERE to know, Rick would definitely outrange on the second go. I think I may have to rethink this, but it WOULD depend on wether Isaac transmutates round 1 or not. I'll might see an incon coming
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