Is Sans Faster then Massively Hypersonic+

[Kyleb79]

Well Sans Has dodged Frisk/Chara with Ease who dodged Lasers(From A Gaster Blaster)


Laser are 300,000 km/s (186,000 miles a second) And can Dodge Frisk with Ease Speed of Light is only 299,792 km/s (186,282 miles per second)

Teleportation Doesn't Count

Also Were Talkign about Reaction Time

I would say he's just teleporting

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"Laser are 300,000 km/s"

No they aren't unless proven.

 

[Huesito88]

Sans was at one point FTL via that reason though that was taken down for obvious reasons.

 

[Kyleb79]

https://www.space.com/15830-light-speed.html - Speed of Light

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99113&page=1 -Speed of A Laser(Read 3 Line)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

He was FTL for another reason. Dodging gaster blasters was just a supporting a feat.

@Kyleb That's assuming said lasers are made out of light. Which is nowhere near always the case in fiction, especially not with a magical attack.

 

[Kyleb79]

He was FTL for another reason. Dodging gaster blasters was just a supporting a feat.
@Kyleb That's assuming said lasers are made out of light. Which is nowhere near always the case in fiction, especially not with a magical attack.

So in your opinion whats his speed

 

[Kyleb79]

Also Remeber that was Frisk/Chara Information

 

[Huesito88]

Some monster dodged sun light rays that was the other reason.

 

[Agnaa]

We can't tell because teleportation and danmaku aren't movement speeds.

I guess he probably has MHS reactions, but we can't really comment more than that.

 

[Kyleb79]

We can't tell because teleportation and danmaku aren't movement speeds.
I guess he probably has MHS reactions, but we can't really comment more than that.

Lets Not Include Teleportation lets only includ Dodging

 

[Agnaa]

I don't think we have a good way to tell how quickly he's dodging.

If we use the animation then he's obviously not teleporting, but he's also dodging really slowly.

If we say that the animation was inaccurate and the attack was really fast, then why are we still assuming that he moved to dodge rather than teleporting?

But really idk the reason for the unknown speed, I wasn't here when the profiles were made.

 

[Kyleb79]

I don't think we have a good way to tell how quickly he's dodging.
If we use the animation then he's obviously not teleporting, but he's also dodging really slowly.

If we say that the animation was inaccurate and the attack was really fast, then why are we still assuming that he moved to dodge rather than teleporting?

But really idk the reason for the unknown speed, I wasn't here when the profiles were made.

Kept Dodging from Chara/Frisk who has dodged Gaster Blasters which is a fast a https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99113&page=1 (Read 3rd Line)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Aren't Gaster Blasters just magic blasts of energy? I don't think they're lasers.

 

[Kyleb79]

Well I gtg see you guys tommorow

 

[Agnaa]

My point is: How do we know Sans is dodging Chara attacking at full speed?

If we go by the animation which shows Sans dodging to the side, he is clearly moving very slowly, so Chara's attack is not FTL.

If we DON'T go by the animation and just go by the fact that Sans wasn't hit, then he could have just TELEPORTED to the side, which isn't a speed feat but a reaction feat.

 

[Kyleb79]

Ok so Your Opinion he just teleported to the side not including the animation

 

[Agnaa]

My point is either we:

Use the animation and it's super slow, since the animation was slow.

Don't use the animation and he could have teleported.

 

[Kyleb79]

My point is: How do we know Sans is dodging Chara attacking at full speed?
If we go by the animation which shows Sans dodging to the side, he is clearly moving very slowly, so Chara's attack is not FTL.

If we DON'T go by the animation and just go by the fact that Sans wasn't hit, then he could have just TELEPORTED to the side, which isn't a speed feat but a reaction feat.

Were not including the animation since Toby doesn't focus on how fast they go he just made so sans can dodge knifes

 

[Agnaa]

Yes so since we take the animation as non-canon he could have teleported instead of dodging to the side.

 

[Kyleb79]

Ok so your opinion its not speed it's just teleportation to the side

 

[Kyleb79]

If were not including the animation

 

[Kyleb79]

On Sans Vs battles wiki its says hes Massively Hypersonic+ so hes (2997924.6 m/s),

 

[Kyleb79]

Aren't Gaster Blasters just magic blasts of energy? I don't think they're lasers.

A blast of energy is Light so your saying a Gaster Blaster is a Fast a light (186,000 miles per second)

 

[Apatheticskell]

Obviously sans is MUCH MUCH MUCH Faster than MSH+ and he can easily blitz MSH characters. Sans is actually FTL+ or maybe even MFTL. I'll just cut the explaination short.

You see, Sans is the only character to truly be capable of blitzing Chara and dodging them--literally, the only way Chara won was by breaking the game!

And this is what makes him FTL: Napstablook noticed Flowey's light, and got up and closed the blinds before the light reached the window... when the light was already on their doorstep. That's well into FTL, and Sans is superior to even that! There's honestly nothing saying that Frisk/Chara are faster than Napstablook, thus, Sans is the only one that truly scales. Heck, Napstablook even says that he let Frisk land hits because he felt bad and let them land hits out of pity.

But if Sans is much superior that speed and he is also the fastest character in the game with Only Asriel being faster than Sans then Sans is well into MFTL range not to mention Sans is also faster than Omega Flowey who is also FTL if not FTL+.So Sans at least is FTL+ and AT MOST MFTL(Massively FTL).

So basically Sans has a reaction Speed of light as a Low-ball if we scale him to his Gaster Blasters which fire out lasers and lasers travel at the speed of light. Scaling sans to other characters gives us his reaction speed to be FTL+ since he is faster than napstablook and MFTL because he is faster than both Omega Flowey and Napstablook not to mention he is also faster than Chara/Frisk and Asriel Dreemurr(Sans is not Faster than Asriel in his god of hyperdeath form)

For Attack speed we already concluded his Blaster's are at the speed of light(SoL) so then there's that and his bones are bit slower so I say the Bones are Massively HyperSonic+ and The blue bones are Sub Relativistic+.

For travel speed he can Teleport nothing else to say about that.

And Sans has to be Faster than MSH since all characters scale to a Low determined frisk who is MSH and sans is faster than the whole underground so MSH+ won't be the case Otherwise frisk would easily blitz sans in the genocide route. Sans is faster than high determined frisk and Chara(he is faster than chara if chara is not at their absolute)

So yeah Sans is MFTL/FTL+ and the only reason Asriel is much faster than that is because he has absorbed all the souls of the monsters INCLUDING SANS' SOUL and NAPSTABLOOK not to mention Flowey also absorbed the 6 human souls and Asriel is basically flowey but Asriel has absorbed at least ƒÆ»'s of more souls than Flowey

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Well then

 

[Apatheticskell]

Well what Sans is MFTL the end.

 

[Agnaa]

@Apatheticskell Sans can dodge Chara, but that also could have been through teleportation, only his reactions and attacks scale.

How do you know that Sans is faster than Napstablook?

How is Sans faster than Omega Flowey?

Gaster blasters aren't necessarily lasers, they don't necessarily travel at the speed of light, and firing something doesn't mean you scale to the speed of it.

 

[Kyleb79]

@Apatheticskell Sans can dodge Chara, but that also could have been through teleportation, only his reactions and attacks scale.
How do you know that Sans is faster than Napstablook?

How is Sans faster than Omega Flowey?

Gaster blasters aren't necessarily lasers, they don't necessarily travel at the speed of light, and firing something doesn't mean you scale to the speed of it.

Gaster is a Blast of energy which makes a gaster blaster blast at light the speed of light

 

[Agnaa]

Not all energy travels at the speed of light, right?

 

[Kyleb79]

true

 

[Kyleb79]

Pretty much his speed is unkown

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah but with MHS reactions and attack speed, scaling to Chara.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Why scale to chara ? when we know sans is much faster than them?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Why scale to chara ? when we know sans is much faster than them?

He's a higher end of it then them.

 

[Agnaa]

Scale to Chara because he can react to their attacks and hit them with attacks.

 

[Apatheticskell]

@Apatheticskell Sans can dodge Chara, but that also could have been through teleportation, only his reactions and attacks scale.

How do you know that Sans is faster than Napstablook?

How is Sans faster than Omega Flowey?

Gaster blasters aren't necessarily lasers, they don't necessarily travel at the speed of light, and firing something doesn't mean you scale to the speed of it.

Sans can dodge chara via reactions and attacks only and Not Teleportation since Teleportation is travel speed and not reaction speed.

Sans is faster than Omega Flowey because Omega Flowey can't dodge your attacks. To find Omega Flowey's speed I scaled the 6 human souls to frisk and then added those 6 human souls to flowey's speed and the multiplied it by 2. Omega Flowey then is FTL+.

 

[Apatheticskell]

So this would make Sans MFTL+ not to mention the beam Omega Flowey throws from his mout is a laser beam and it looks exactly like Sans' Gaster Blaster Beam or Asriel's Chaos Buster beam.

 

[Agnaa]

I agree with Sans only being above Chara in reactions and attacks.

Omega Flowey simply didn't care to dodge Frisk's attacks, when you could hit Omega Flowey and it actually mattered that seems to either be because he's weakened by the 6 human souls leaving, or because of plot induced stupidity.

Omega Flowey's actual speed is much MUCH faster. His speed is completely beyond basic space-time itself, he can instantly switch between save files and move out of them. His speed is immeasurable.

 

[Antvasima]

Azathoth is the Undertale expert. You should probably ask him to comment here.

 

[Apatheticskell]

Ok