I think everyone would be 8-C+, as Undyne has 50 ATK and 20 DEF, with her tanking hits from Frisk who could take her attacks. Same for Muffet who is 38.8 ATK/18.8 DEF.
Sounds reasonable, imo. Although, which group would Pap be in? At most 8-C+ or just plain 8-C+ due to pap holding back and undyne calling him pretty strong... or smth along those lines.
At most. He's only 20 in both stats.
I never said she shouldn't be.
Monsters being glass cannons is not something new. Vulkin is an example.
Vulkin literally has Wall level dura and Small Building AP rn. Glass cannons are exactly that.
I think that them being "At most" fits better, as those stats did interact with each other. We are talking of an almost x5 difference here.
8-C Sans is based
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You know... I disagree with Aaron scaling. He is a fodder, not an important character. Muffet can tank very well attacks from Frisk unlike him, this is why her DEF scales and Aaron does not.
We use showings in fights before anything. If they die in few hits, then they're glass cannons. Bosses can take multiple hits, fodders cant.
Unlike the rest she flat out has DEF equal to the ATK. They do not have such bliss.
And?
You do realize that a 9-A Frisk can one-shot Vulkin and Glad Dummy, correct? Meaning that 9-A stats are indeed much stronger than 9-B ones in-verse. Besides, stats are non linear anyways.
And Undyne loses a big chunk of her HP from a barely above baseline 9-B fall
Knight Knight also dies in "a few hits" despite having the same ATK and DEF, we can chalk this up to Toby not wanting every random encounter to take 7 minutes if the player decides to FIGHT
Why would Mettaton hire someone who can't take a single hit?
0 DEF varie in-verse anyhow, like Whimsin dies in 1 hit and Moldsmall takes a few hits before dying, but someone with 1 DEF should still be stronger than Moldsmall in durability
The + is given if you upscale decently from a value close to it. I think baseline + for them fits just fine.
I mean, x1.26 is still pretty big, and those 3 don't really one-shot lower 8-Cs or have Asgore's upscaling, they're just stated to be stronger which I don't think is enough
I was about to make an eassay but the reason why Papyrus is 9-A in the 1st place is downscaling from Undyne so I guess you have a point.
I do not think the legs are THAT big, because after all it's still his legs which are kinda small in overworld.
Well they aren't literally the legs attached to his body (otherwise he would have at bare minimum 4 different legs), but probably something similar to Sans or Papyrus's bone rush
I mean it's kinda just upscaling the average human leg, that and Therefir's calc only used a fraction of the leg's actual size
Epic, I am just happy for the out of nowhere 8-C Upgrade, tbh.
Everyone simply becomes from 9-A to 8-C from either upscaling or downscaling from the 0.89 Tons feat, given that Papyrus clearly downscales from Undyne, and the characters who massively upscale from it (such as Asgore) become 8-C+.
I am about to do the SOULs multiplier. What do you think about the Mid Tier DT nuke I told in OP? Should we make it new baseline for 9-B or make it only a support for 8-C?
Now that more of the late game enemies have 8-C feats which is a wide margin from 9-B, I wouldn’t mind if we somehow found a way for the early/mid game enemies to backscale given some early/mid enemies’ DEF are higher than some late game enemies.
The issue it's that when Frisk made the durability feat, they were still able to damage Undyne, but at the same time fall damage is generally wanked af in fiction, so Chara being harmed by the fall probably isn't that much of an anti feat against it.
