Iron Fist Vs Natsu Dragneel

[Newendigo]

Battle between fire brawlers!......................................

................ Well.......... That's it......... I'm not in the mood :C

So, speed is equal, likely a meter of distace between each other. Both are very casual in this fight, win via K.O, this is post second origin-dragon-force Natsu.

Characters


Iron Fist (Marvel Comics)


Natsu Dragneel


Western fire puncher : 7 (Knight, Gar, C2, Meo, Kuul, Kaku, Delta)

Earsten fire puncher : 1 (Will)

 

[LordGinSama]

Does Iron Fist primarily use fire?

 

[Newendigo]

Nah, he use chi, which he can mix with fire.

 

[LordGinSama]

Hmmm well I think I'll be voting Iron Fist due to experience, skill and mind manipulation l.

 

[Newendigo]

Experience can be helpful, skill is another thing and Mind Control is something that Iron Fist do not use to the "Get Go".

 

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Natsu via huge range and stamina advantage.

 

[Newendigo]

Fist Bump.

 

[Schnee_One]

Iron fists expirience intelligence and overall better variety of abilities gives him the edge against Natsu's brawler style of fighting, best of all, Iron Fist is an incredible Hapkido practitioner, against a Brawler, that poses problems.

If he ever finds himself struggling to down Natsu after a little while, his Mind Fist would screw over Natsu should Natsu ever be hit by it, which he won't know as IF channels it through Ki in his Mind and if Natsu tries to match his hand or block it, the fights over.

Iron Fist 7/10

 

[Newendigo]

'''''Vote counted.'''''

 

[Delta3000]

Iron fist due to better powers.

 

[Newendigo]

Kek, what better powers you mean?

 

[Delta3000]

energy absorption (which lets him absorb magic), regen (which is low godly when combined with his matter manip) and mind manipulation.

 

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^is this guy serious or something. Low godly regen??

 

[Newendigo]

^^I don't know.

 

[LordGinSama]

Low Godly regen???? Pics or it didn't happen

 

[Delta3000]

According to his profile Iron fist can give his soul a new physical body through matter manip which, last i checked, qualifes as low godly regen or close enough.

 

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-.- it has nothing to do with Regenerationn.

 

[Newendigo]

''This is going to become Alter V GR over again.''

 

[Delta3000]

Whilst it is techincally resurrection it does the same thing as low godly regen (Iron fist has regular regen anyway) and it doesn't change the fact that Natsu has no way of putting Iron fist down.

 

[Schnee_One]

It's not Low Godly, you're just making a new body.

 

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@Delta Natsu has to take him down once and we count it as a win since its win by K.O.

 

[Delta3000]

@Gargoyle 1

That's what low godly regen does.

@shadow

True but that's not going to be easy for Natsu to do given IF's skill and Natsu's stamina being lower since he's in dragon force in the version we are using.

 

[Schnee_One]

Wrong, it regenerates your current body.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Iron Fist's ability counts as a form of ressurection. He dies and then usrs his matter manipulation to grant himself a new body.

Back to the debate: Going with Iron Fist. Far more skilled, experienced and versatile.

 

[Newendigo]

Vote counted.

I know skill, intelligence and experience is very important when it comes to guys that are equal in AP,

But in abilities c'mon, does anyone want to elaborate something?

 

[Schnee_One]

Abilities, Iron Fist wins

 

[Delta3000]

@Gargoyle 1

The difference between regenerating a body that has been compleatly destroyed and creating an entirely new one is negligble.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Gargoyle 1
The difference between regenerating a body that has been compleatly destroyed and creating an entirely new one is negligble.

The difference is this:

Low-Godly regen means that you can regenerate as long as your soul/mind (disembodied consciousness) still exist. Your regenerating from the soul/mind. You haven't died yet nor are you considered dead. It would take someon obliterating your body and soul/mind to actually kill you.

What Iron Fist does is resurrection. When his physical body is destroyed, while he's dead, he can use Matter Manipulation to reconstruct a brand new body for his soul to inhabit. He literally coming back from the grave. If he did not create a new body, he would just pass on.

That might seem like splitting hairs to you but if you want to debate it make a content thread about it.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

(Still don't get why this is saying I'm replying to another comment...) I'll elaborate on why I said Iron Fist takes this. Sorry, I was at my job, on a break, on my phone when I casted my vote and couldn't give a more detailed answer.

Natsu's biggest advantage is his range but that's really it. And it's nullified with the two starting a meter apart, speed equalized and Iron Fist's range going up to several dozen meters.Iron Fist has regen, so it's going to be harder for Natsu to make damage stick to him. Not to mention that Iron Fist can focus and fight even when he's dead tired, injured, in pain, etc.

Skill wise, this isn't even a comparison. Iron Fist is not just an effective fighter, he's one of the most skilled, powerful and dangerous martial artists in Marvel. He used to fighting and sparring with highly skilled martial artists of equal or greater calibur. Even with them both being casual, Iron Fist just operates at a completely different level. Natsu's an experienced and skilled brawler but that doesn't mean much here when his opponent can knock him out with a nerve pinch. Or can basically see Natsu's moves from a mile away due to how rudimentry they are compared to Iron Fist's own.

Then we get the Chi-Manipulation. Iron Fist can absorb Natsu's Magic if he finds it troublesome or resort to his Hypnotic Fist if he feels the need to. He effectively has powers that Natsu doesn't really have a response for.

All of this is on top of the two being pretty close in power. In short, Iron Fist has an answer to whatever Natsu throws at him and is such a better fighter even if they're both casual. What would be casual for Natsu =/= What's casual for Iron Fist.

 

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@Delta no time limits for Natsu anymore.

@thec2 Natsu has power Nullification and can simply burn his chi so no mind manipulation there and range is relevant cause Natsu has huge Aoe as well which means this guy ain't dodging what Natsu can throw at him while Natsu can just keep a bit of range and that's it.

Natsu's stamina is far beyond this guy so he can fight longer. Also regen is not relevant if he can't regen things like his hand or leg. If he can just regenerate a big scar it makes no diffrence in a battle.

 

[Schnee_One]

@Delta no time limits for Natsu anymore.

@thec2 Natsu has power Nullification and can simply burn his chi so no mind manipulation there and range is relevant cause Natsu has huge Aoe as well which means this guy ain't dodging what Natsu can throw at him while Natsu can just keep a bit of range and that's it.

Natsu's stamina is far beyond this guy so he can fight longer. Also regen is not relevant if he can't regen things like his hand or leg. If he can just regenerate a big scar it makes no diffrence in a battle.

Burn his Chi? By what? Hitting him?

And how does this work? Does he just null it with a thought?

 

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He envelops his hands with chi when attacking and Natsu envelops his hand with flames.

 

[Schnee_One]

They're not going to punch each others fists. Iron Fist will just redirect his arm and punch him in the chest or wherever.

 

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Thats assuming he uses mind manipulation as first thing also Natsu can envelope his body in flames entirely as well. If he can't beat him in close combat he will just use range and his fire dragon iron fist has a huge range and Aoe as well without talking about other attacks. Iron fist has no AOE and range is very restricted so dodging his attacks is much easier for Natsu.

 

[Schnee_One]

He kinda does, have you read iron fist? If he feels his opponents are threats to those around him, he'll use any means necessary as soon as he can.

You're assuming Natsu won't try to get close and fight in hand to hand this entire fight, he loses in a CQC fight for the reasons I mentioned.

Also, Iron Fist doesn't have an issue dodging attacks.

 

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They will go in h2h it's obvious in the beginning, but Natsu is an extremely adaptive fighter and if he sees he doesn't stand a chance in close combat he can easily take range.

Natsu is not a threat to those around him(even the OP says it's just casual battle) plus if iron fist overpowered him in h2h that's another reason not to think of using mind manipulation.

Also, yes he will have a ton of problems considering Natsu's Aoe being at least dozens of meters even with his "iron fist". Natsu on the other side doesn't have that problem.

 

[Schnee_One]

Define "easily take the range".

How does he gain the range? IF isn't going to let him get out of his range, and Natsu doesn't have any abilities to let him get out of range, so what's stopping IF from pursuing him?

IF doesn't know that, he sees a hot blooded brawler with dangerous flames, he's thinking "Okay, this guy needs to be shut down" and then proceed to never let this guy out CQC range.

You say how Natsu can easily take the range, how?

 

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1.push him away with his attacks and then (if necessary)jump back cause he really only needs couple of meters of range.

2. Do the same thing like with Bluenote and just use the flames to rise earth beneath him and start spamming range attacks.

3. Use his flames to "Fly" into sky like he already did or use them to push himself in opposite direction of iron fist while his flames are also pushing iron fist away.

4. Simply keep using his enchanted leap which is superior to iron fist and use range attacks(similar to third one).

5. Destroy the earth in front of them blocking Iron fist view or force him to defend like Natsu did with Jellal.

 

[Schnee_One]

1. Push away IF from CQC? Yeah no, that's not happening if Iron is fighting a brawler, and jumping back? Iron Fist Jumps forward.

2. Fair

3. Then Iron Fist jumps after him.

4. Just because something is ehchanted doesn't mean it's superior to a guy who can keep up with Dare Devil and Spider-Man without much trouble.

5. If this is the case, Iron Fist can find a place to hide and ambush Natsu.

This is all assuming IF doesn't immediately proceed to destroy him in CQC, or use his Hypnotic punch, AND that Natsu tries any of the ones you mentioned that IF doesn't counter by himself.

Iron Fist easily takes certain scenarios, wins with Mid to High Dif in others, and only loses in a couple.

 

[KuuIchigo]

Iron Fist via superior cqc and mind hax.