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No. Robot mentioned that his Titanium Volcanic armor would still be destroyed without much effort from Mark, but he had layered it in such a way that any blow would produce an intense noise that would harm a Viltrumite and if Mark hit him hard enough the sound wave would just kill him.
I'm iffy on it. Not that the armor didn't take a punch, because it did, but because the Sun's heat breaks down Thragg's power source.
That's fair. So Robot's volcanic armor should scale to BoS Mark while his basic armors could scale to Maulers since he can reliably beat them and possibly Angstrom Levy considering he basically oneshot him when he was restrained but I don't think that would count.
For fairness Levy'a current direct scaling to Invincible doesn't really work. Even with enhancements he couldn't actually beat Mark without wearing him down first in his initial villain arc (also even then I don't think he actually ever harmed Invincible). When he came back the orbs could stagger Mark but he still relied on other Invincibles to do anything and Mark was holding back kn him the entire time.
This is just not true honestly. These come from Invincible #33 and the blood was not from Levy. He did not damage the mask (which came off from the fragments of a building) and when Mark stopped holding back he easily beat him nearly to death due to overestimating his strength.
The orbs are also confusing, since as before the blood on the pages already existed before they ever came into contact with Mark, Bulletproof, or Kid Omni-Man. to scale to pre-Viltrum war Mark. Staggering people isn't really indicative of scaling to them honestly.
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For Bulletproof we do the following
Maybe "At least City level+" for him and Bulletproof rather than just City level+?
I agreed on this up until this thread actually. Because there's a few showings where he gets knocked out from an outside force: Such as Omnipotus, Brit himself noted that The Emperor was capable of taking him down, and being knocked out by Set's powers (guess that might be hax though).
He should but I honestly do not know of any feat he has that would get him above that. He would need scaling and I don't know what chain there is to a better feat.
Why? He has showings, just that we don't know an upper limit. "At least Class 25" should be fine.
He'd scale to Kid Omni-Man. But he doesn't scale to a stronger version of Mark/Viltrumite Elites considering this scene exists.
I mean yeah, but I said early Mark.
It is a random handbook number that does not fit with the scale of the series itself. It is very inappropriate to use.
He scales to adult Kid Omniman, and as such likely average Vultrumites, yes.
But why? We have a bare minimum number that doesn't contradict anything. Its a perfectly fine placeholder designation.
By the time Mark gets any showings above Class 25 he's already beyond any Earthbound hero. Heck, by issue #25 it was even noted that he outclassed everyone on Earth
It is a random handbook number that does not mean anything except how strong he is in comparison to other characters. We do not use them for Marvel Comics and we should not use them here either.
Again, he was only officially Class 30 to Omni-Man's Class 100+ by 2006, which was likely a bit after issue #25. By comparison, Monstress was listed as class 60.
Marvel usually has feats for us to fall back on or direct lines of scaling to use though. Here we have nothing and everything we are given doesn't contradict the 25 tons number.
The feat takes place in The Pact mini-series, which takes place between Issues #30 and #31 of Invincible. That's well after Immortal would scale in any physical capacity to Mark (in terms of lifting strength).
Given that a considerable number of feats in the series strongly suggest an overall far higher scale, I continue to maintain that it is ridiculous to use handbook numbers. Sorry, but I am not backing down in this regard. Also, why can't we use the other feat that you listed for Immortal to scale from instead? It should give a considerably higher value.
I thought that you said that Immortal himself performed the feat. Also, again, Immortal after around 3 years (36 issues) of the series, when the handbooks were released, was listed as almost equal to Invincible at the time.
