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Alright, does anyone disagree with the notion that Z's Amphitheatre is a case of R>F? If ya do, please do explain as to why so we can come to a conclusion here.
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Introduction of Xenoblade 3 to the wiki + bonus stuff that didn't take me as long as last time.
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I'll make a more detailed explanation later but it's mainly just about the Ampihteatre from a story sense.
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Well okay. Lay the explanation on me.
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I'll have it soon i promise I just bought my first desktop PC so I wanna configure that before I do anything else.
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Its aight. Take your time.
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Okay, I can reply now. My reasoning for it not being R>F is there just isn't any solid proof or indication of the Amphitheatre being some sort of higher entity or device.
Sure it has some level of (maybe) plot manipulation (I believe it's Reality Warping) but it's not as if Z or the theatre look down upon the world of Xenoblade as some sort of higher entity that controls and manipulates it entirely. All it has been shown to do is affect the world. And besides Z is like the collective want to stay in the now which is not something super crazy or ascendant.
Sure it has some level of (maybe) plot manipulation (I believe it's Reality Warping) but it's not as if Z or the theatre look down upon the world of Xenoblade as some sort of higher entity that controls and manipulates it entirely. All it has been shown to do is affect the world. And besides Z is like the collective want to stay in the now which is not something super crazy or ascendant.
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Um, ya do know that it wasn't for Aionios, right? It was for the world that is within the Amphitheatre, the one that N enters when he becomes Moebius by walking into the film. Its being considered as R>F as perceiving that world as a film is one of the noted examples listed on the R>F page.
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Ohhhhhhhhhh. Yeah that’s fine then I got confused lol.
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Yeah dw about it, we all make mistakes.
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Yeah, that seems pretty clear cut as an example of R>F to me
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I think R > F is legit.
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Thank you for the input, staff input is all that is needed right now for this.
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bump
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@DarkGrath Do you have thoughts on this? Or have you commented? Seems one more Thread Mod/above is enough is enough to apply this.
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I believe it requires him to actually view it as fiction, however the amphitheatre screen is just Z viewing events that take place across Aionios in the present or past, which is not the same. Or I could be reading the reality fiction page wrong, I only saw it yesterday
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Ya entirely misread the context for R>F here. It ain't for viewing Aionios.
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It plays legit fictional events that can be interacted with by the Consuls. Again, think of the crossroads that were displayed with M standing on one side of them when N became a Moebius. That's not an actual thing that happens, because M isn't alive at the time.
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@Hypertornado099 This post more or less keeps it simple, I recommend reading this quoted text box. ^^
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Ok, thanks for the expanation
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I'm inclined to tenuously agree with R>F Transcendence. A lot of the context surrounding the nature of the Amphitheatre is still unclear, but all of the pointers that I can see do suggest that the "film" can indeed be seen as depictions of fictional events relative to the world of the Amphitheatre, which I believe would indeed qualify.
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Seems we have enough staff approval to apply that part then.
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I schnee, could I ask for a quick hand in that then? As this is concrete tier 1 all the profiles that scale need to be adjusted
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I am kinda lagging bad, but I can try to unlock the given list if listed with all the links.
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The only profile that needs unlocking (as none of them are locked in the first place) is the Monado
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What will the Low 1-C explanation on his profile be?
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I unlocked it, guess others were unlocked already.
Obviously the R>F explanations. There are also stuff mentioned in this scan.
Origin also basically is similar to Memory Space/Passage of Fate with the scan above may also giving context to not only the Conduit's scale of creation but clarifies "Beyond Space and Time" statements Memory Space had.
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Aight its all done
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Nice, so this is concluded and I can lock all Tier 1 profiles?
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yeah and lock this thread n' all that.
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I locked up all the profiles.
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aight, this thread can be closed.
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Yes, thank you everyone who has helped out with this.
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