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Also, Alpha appears to have two keys on the tiers section, but his AP only lists it once.
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I'll fix thatAlso, Alpha appears to have two keys on the tiers section, but his AP only lists it once.
If there are further sources that could support this, however, I'd be more than happy to evaluate them - as mentioned, I have very little context here, as I have not played the game myself.
In passing, I'll mention that I would have 100% played it by now if I had a Nintendo Switch. It looks great, and totally up my alley.You should change that, Xenoblade series is peak
Thanks for your thoughts. I do have my disagreements about the idea of the Amphitheatre's film essentially being a portal. We see that the film is capable of displaying past events and present events with the latter actually being in the same world as Z. If it were to act as a portal then logically it would be capable of acting as a way to go to whatever it is displaying which has never been shown for it to be able to do.Also, to elaborate on my thoughts around the higher dimensional stuff - it sounds plausible, but I'm not 100% convinced yet. In the event that the film on the theatre screen is indeed the whole of the world, and the theatre is a space separate from it that wholly encompasses it, I think it could qualify. In such a case, the film in the theatre would be a 4D space, and the theatre itself would have to be at least 5D to encompass it.
Where my doubts lie is whether the "film" is the actually the whole of the reality in the first place. As far as I can tell, all of the sources still make sense if we just think of the theatre as a separate world and the film as a "window" into a different world, with the screen acting as a portal to the world (as N travelled through it). In the event that the theatre and the world where the events take place are just two 'different' worlds, and the film merely allows Z to look into one world from the other, everything still works and the theatre does not need to be a qualitatively superior place.
As before, of course, this still falls into the issue of "I've not played the game, I don't know one way or the other". More thorough evidence of the theatre being a qualitatively superior dimension that encompasses the other world, rather than just offering a window into it, could convince me.
Ooh, okay. That adds an interesting layer here. The film can display all events occurring in that world, past, present, and future?Thanks for your thoughts. I do have my disagreements about the idea of the Amphitheatre's film essentially being a portal. We see that the film is capable of displaying past events and present events with the latter actually being in the same world as Z. If it were to act as a portal then logically it would be capable of acting as a way to go to whatever it is displaying which has never been shown for it to be able to do.
Past and present is a yes. It has never shown to display the future (though Origin has Precognition so it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume but better to be safe). The part that makes me think the most about this however is for that scene with N (the one I linked), the woman he walks up to (M/Mio) is dead. She is not revived until later for when N makes his choice to kill everyone in the City to revive her which means that the world N walks into isn't reality (as why would he kill the City folk if Mio is already alive).Ooh, okay. That adds an interesting layer here. The film can display all events occurring in that world, past, present, and future?
Seconding this. There's a lot of context to this scene that's missed for those who don't know the game. This whole scene N walks into is wholly fictionalPast and present is a yes. It has never shown to display the future (though Origin has Precognition so it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume but better to be safe). The part that makes me think the most about this however is for that scene with N (the one I linked), the woman he walks up to (M/Mio) is dead. She is not revived until later for when N makes his choice to kill everyone in the City to revive her which means that the world N walks into isn't reality (as why would he kill the City folk if Mio is already alive).
Oh, that surely changes things. How exactly does the film display events in this separate world that aren't real? Is it like, displaying an alternate timeline?The part that makes me think the most about this however is for that scene with N (the one I linked), the woman he walks up to (M/Mio) is dead. She is not revived until later for when N makes his choice to kill everyone in the City to revive her which means that the world N walks into isn't reality (as why would he kill the City folk if Mio is already alive).
Its never directly stated however, it is likely Z's manipulations (alternate timelines wouldn't apply here as the world of Aionios is unique by virtue of being a world created by Origin). He already has shown to be able to manipulate it so that is the most logical explanation.Oh, that surely changes things. How exactly does the film display events in this separate world that aren't real? Is it like, displaying an alternate timeline?
This is never really directly explained. It wouldn't be an alternate timeline, though, as Aionios (the world the game takes place in) is already a unique world created by Origin, which Z has full control over. I'm with Josh as far as the explanation goes, though it's never directly mentioned what this isOh, that surely changes things. How exactly does the film display events in this separate world that aren't real? Is it like, displaying an alternate timeline?
You can. I'm not.After this we can make profiles for the other heroes, M, and the other party members?
Maybe even a moebius team profile and a ouroboros team profile?
Not necessarily. Even if that was the case there is seemingly no evidence that movement speed does scale to combat speed, and the opposite isn't the default assumption.That's game mechanics.
Nah, genuinely there's no two ways about it, that's game mechanics. It's like saying Sonic is Superhuman/Supersonic/whatever just because of the distance he covers in gameplay despite his canonical speed, which is a concession made so that the player can... well, actually control SonicNot necessarily. Even if that was the case there is seemingly no evidence that movement speed does scale to combat speed, and the opposite isn't the default assumption.
That's an overreach of his power if he does so, to put it bluntlyBy the way, if you guys are gonna do Supergenius you should tag Ant, otherwise if he disagrees he might just delete it off the profiles without a thread.
I mean, I don't disagree, but he's done it in the past.That's an overreach of his power if he does so, to put it bluntly
No, because Sonic has actual movement speed feats on that level. Like, sure, let's pretend the Superhuman is gameplay mechanics, you still don't have any proof that movement speed scales to combat speed.Nah, genuinely there's no two ways about it, that's game mechanics. It's like saying Sonic is Superhuman/Supersonic/whatever just because of the distance he covers in gameplay despite his canonical speed, which is a concession made so that the player can... well, actually control Sonic
then just say that
That wasn't in regard to Plot Manipulation. It was for R > F.I think it might be Plot Manipulation after DarkGrath reread some details and noted that changes things.
Okay so what is your opinion of it as R > F.I think it might be Plot Manipulation after DarkGrath reread some details and noted that changes things.
I apologize, but I will not be participating in this since I have not played Xenoblade Chronicles 3, so it would be massively inappropriate + chance of spoiling myself.
Again, sorry.
It is the best game in the series I'd argue and my 2nd favorite game on the Switch next to Tears of the Kingdom. And easily one of my top 3 favorite games of tall time which says a lot considering how long so many 90's era classics have consistently dominated my top 5/10 games list. But it is like a several hundred hour long game to 100% so it definitely takes lone to appreciate.I apologize, but I will not be participating in this since I have not played Xenoblade Chronicles 3, so it would be massively inappropriate + chance of spoiling myself.
Again, sorry.
It is the best game in the series I'd argue and my 2nd favorite game on the Switch next to Tears of the Kingdom.
Agnian. Keves master race.Tbh my favorite in the series tends to flip flop between 2 and 3
It was originally going to be a flip flop for 1 and 3, but I decided 3 because the story and characters are just that good as well as its chain attack system with Interlinking also being awesome. And Future Redeemed made me love XB3 even more, so I basically have to give it to that one.Tbh my favorite in the series tends to flip flop between 2 and 3
I am an Agnian through and throughAgnian. Keves master race.
Oh trust me, the Xeno series just loves to not explain very important aspects about it and give explanations later or in off hand products.We've gotten weirdly off-topic here. I know this is a thread made by and for Xenoblade fans, and it's great you all enjoy it, but that's not the discussion topic here. The main discussion point now is regarding Z's Amphitheatre, and we haven't really resolved that.
For clarification on my view so far (since it seems to have caused some confusion), I don't have a strong take on how to acknowledge this matter on the profiles just due to the lack of clarification on some of the more important elements. Not to the fault of anyone here, mind you - it seems like the game itself just doesn't elaborate much on these points. But without having any clear explanation on, for example, how the film was used to depict a scene that was seemingly in the other world but not actually "real", I can't really say for sure how Z's Amphitheatre and the other world connect. And this is unquestionably the most important part here; how the worlds connect could be used to understand whether there is a reality/fiction difference (in which case, there would be good rationale for plot manipulation), and/or whether the Amphitheatre encompasses the world or merely exists alongside it.
What I think would be worth pursuing here is gathering evidence to infer how the connection between the worlds work by process of elimination. The fact that the game doesn't appear to explicitly state or show how it works doesn't mean that we cannot deduce how it works from the things that are stated and shown. A particular point of interest I'd like to explore is what exactly the consequences were for "resurrecting" Mio in the film.