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Infinite Zamasu Low 1-C upgrade
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Nullflowerblush
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The initial five include Future Trunks's world, and the later six include the current timeline, after Zamasu was erased in the present due to Trunks's interference.
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Range should simply be low 1c, there is no need to make this so complicated, growing big enough to reach another timeline without the use of s time ring
One was missing at the end after trunks went to another timeline,
One was missing at the end after trunks went to another timeline,
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-5 time rings.
-Subtract 1 for Zeno erasing the timeline.
-Add 1 for Beerus creating another timeline in destroying Zamasu.
-Add 1 for Whis creating a new timeline for Trunks and Mai.
-6 time rings?
Nullflowerblush
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Trunks and Mai hadn't used the Time Machine yet.
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Staff voted for range only, so we’re waiting for grace at this point.
Iirc Whis should’ve already created their timeline.
Magicomethkuon
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Sounds kind of irrelevant. His influence still travelled past the limits of a 5D timeline to another whole 5D timeline, which is something much higher than what your average interdimensional range is capable of achieving. Imagine this like a curtain and a bullet, a curtain could reach as far as it extends and everything that it covers. This does not disqualify the bullet reaching further just because it flies in a straight line.
The fact that IZ didn't cover the entirety of a 5-D timeline isn't mutually exclusive to the farthest observed range of his influence, across different 5-D timelines, beyond limits of the entirety of one such structure.
This is much more straightforward 5-D range than this comment makes it appear to be.
Serlock_Holmes
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I see myself agreeing with Magic on this one.
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AP is out of it entirely
Vietthai96
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1. IZ rating based entirely on his state of existence, as he fuse with space-time, realm, dimension. Having Low 1-C range implying he capable of fully cover the entirety of Low 1-C structure, and he fuse with space-time that mean it implying he merging capable of covering the entire hypertimeline, which in turn mean he is Low 1-C sized being. Range fully scale to tier except Interdimensional range
2. Like i said above Low 1-C range mean cover the entire structure and you said IZ has Low 1-C range, yet you said he can only breach to other hypertimeline, aren't you contradict youself??
Magicomethkuon
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Once more, I'd like to call your attention to the analogy that I have just made. There are two very different ways that a character (or anything in life, for what it's worth) can display range. You are acting as though the only way to obtain a range is to cover everything in a given radius first, and then start expanding from there.
That is not the case. Range can also be obtained by simply reaching past a certain threshold of distance even if you don't cover everything within the lesser ranges like some sort of explosion.
This reasoning is a logical pitfall that needlessly complicates a simple, straightforward bullet vs curtain situation of range. No, IZ does not need to cover the entire timeline before he can reach somewhere that is farther away than it.
That is also what the show shows us. He started reaching into another timeline before his fusion with the first was over with. There is no paradox, no contradiction. These things aren't mutually exclusive. The same way that an arrow still can reach greater distances even if it doesn't explode everything in the whole radius of its specified trajectory.
Vietthai96
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Again, are you even understand what i said???, IZ isn't a 3D guy with higher D power or firing any "bullet", his existence is what give him the rating and he constantly fusing with dimension, having low 1-c range implying he can fuse with the entire structure, simple, you making a false equipvalent, he isn't Goku who is a 3D character but can fire a ki blast up to 5-dimensional realm
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Zamasu was said to cover the entirety of Universe 7. I don't remember anything being said about the Hyper Timeline so it still makes more sense to keep it at 2C.
Nullflowerblush
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They were creating the timeline by traveling back in time to the past of their world.
Serlock_Holmes
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Didn't Whis create the new timeline that he relocated the couple to?
Magicomethkuon
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The reply I made before this one already refutes everything here, but I'll answer you for courtesy's sake.
As I have explained, going past a certain range does not require first covering everything within a given, lesser radius. I don't know why you insist that it is necessary and that Zamasu can't possibly have a range higher than what his tier is at.
Furthermore, I argue from what we have seen happen in the episode. Zamasu was observed extending to the other timeline before his fusion was complete. Rather than me making a false equivalent of any sort, here your argument persists on denying him a rating, based on a prerequisite that does not exist. And has never existed for anyone.
In conclusion: IZamasu can absolutely reach beyond distances that qualify his range for 5-D, even if it's not the highest of 5-D ranges where a character can reach the entirety of 5-D space at once.
Nullflowerblush
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Whis only said he would accompany the two to the future and deal with Zamasu, but they were traveling back in time, to another Trunks and Mai no less.
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Thinking on it, if he doesn't fully affect the the other timeline then it should just be Interdimensional range. It being across the 5th dimensional axis doesn't really change this since its ultimately just another direction, which can be specified on the profile I guess.
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This was discussed earlier, but this range only works for tier 2, not tier 1 on the wiki
Unless a staff thread is made a new range created for Zamasu
Serlock_Holmes
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Wouldn't that mean he can affect five dimensions though? Or did you mean that?
That's literally the concept of the range though:
Which fits Zamasu perfectly.
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He verifiable can't affect a whole Low 1-C structure, which is the point.
I'm surprised the Range page hasn't been updated to reflect that, I could've sworn that'd have already been implemented.
Zamasu's case isn't that arcane or weird, it just has to be pointed out properly.
Serlock_Holmes
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It's less that he can't and more he didn't have time to actually move through it. He can still move outside the timeline and cross to others.
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The range page isn't just for being able to move across an axis though. I can throw a punch in any of 3 axes of movement, it doesn't mean I have Universal or High Universal range.
Serlock_Holmes
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You know that does make sense. But how is someone that can move through 5D space but can't affect all of it tiered?
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It's just Interdimensional, like I said + a mention of him being able to move across 5 dimensions of space or whatever.
Vietthai96
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His current Low Multiversal range is because he merged with U7 which consist of multiple space-time continuum
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When Zeno got spoiled in the past he erased 6 universes. And he thought to erase the 8 lowest rank universes.
He is quite precise with deciding what erasing.
When he sees IZ he straight up decides to erase the entire timeline. Could this be a hint that IZ's was evaluated so great that erasing all 12 universes was the only way? Because he was affecting all others 11 (or at least was about to)?
He is quite precise with deciding what erasing.
When he sees IZ he straight up decides to erase the entire timeline. Could this be a hint that IZ's was evaluated so great that erasing all 12 universes was the only way? Because he was affecting all others 11 (or at least was about to)?
Magicomethkuon
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Giving him only interdimensional is very counter-intuitive to what range works like. Definition, straight from the page (and at that, the word itself):
How far did Zamasu reach is what matters here. Not how much of that farther distance he was able to cover at once. This is range yet his range is being treated the same way DC and AP are, by that logic.
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Well I do think the Infinite Zamasu is going to ended up fusing with all the 12 universes eventually, maybe even the whole timeline. Due to the kill all mortals and be the only one god thingy. He never reached that point though. So unless I'm wrong and he immediately fused with the whole timeline Zen'O kinda nuked everything for no reason.
Killerdrone123
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I second this there is no reason for zeno to erase the entire timeline just caused he fused with u7 at the very least he should have low 1c range
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And an insignificant 5-dimensional distance isn't Low Complex Multiversal, which is the point. What you're implying would be the same as granting High Universal range for a statement of "He ran to another place".
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I understand it may appears as an "overkill" (IZ fuse with U7, then Zeno blows up all 12 Univ.).
But i noticed that even when he got spoiled, and considering his childish nature, this crybaby erased only 6. With IZ he calmly thinks before deciding what erasing, so it is a decision he thought about, thats my opinion
Magicomethkuon
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Planck, the very range page from these here forums states that the attack needs to reach anywhere within. Not the entire place at once.
And I'm not sure where that analogy of me overselling something is coming from when my statement comes from seeing with our own eyes that he was reaching in a place, beyond the entire scope of his originating 5-D timeline.
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Have we considered the idea that Zen'O is not omniscient and therefore he doesn't know how far Zamasu has spread? He might not know that Zamasu only fused with U7, and he deleted the whole timeline just in case if Zamasu actually fused with the whole timeline and is starting to leak to the other timelines.
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