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Super Shenron: The Dragon Who 'Possibly' got buffed from an omniscient being.

Oh well I thought erasing a universe on a 5th dimensional scale and SS restoring it would be 5D hax
Well the universes aren't 5D. If they were then it would be a Low 1-C feat. The universes are 4D, but the second time axis present that crosses through them all makes the greater Timeline 5D by virtue of 3D+2.

Shenron to restore a universe just needs to repair an erased 3D+1 structure.
do you agree with both Zeno and Zuno's statements?
That the wishes can do anything? I think that would give the Dragon reason to scale to anyone other than Zeno.
 
Well the universes aren't 5D. If they were then it would be a Low 1-C feat. The universes are 4D, but the second time axis present that crosses through them all makes the greater Timeline 5D by virtue of 3D+2.

Shenron to restore a universe just needs to repair an erased 3D+1 structure.

That the wishes can do anything? I think that would give the Dragon reason to scale to anyone other than Zeno.
Why other than Zeno though?
it was stated by Zuno who's nigh-omniscient that he can grant any wish and that nothing is beyond SS's capabilities (stated in both anime and Manga) even Zenos themselves said that he can grant any wish, wouldn't that atleast grant a possibily Low 1-C?
 
it was stated by Zuno who's nigh-omniscient that he can grant any wish and that nothing is beyond SS's capabilities (stated in both anime and Manga) even Zenos themselves said that he can grant any wish, wouldn't that atleast grant a possibily Low 1-C?
Because it causes a logical loop as detailed here
"He has no limitation, yet it is said that no one can beat Zeno, aka Super Shenron would have a limitation, that being Zeno, aka his "no limitation" stated is invalid as he has a limitation"

"It is said that "no one can beat Zeno" " No one is above him" "No one can beat him no matter what"
but if Super shenron truly has "no limits" then he could easily just beat zeno by wishing "defeat Zeno in a fight" which by statements is not a possible thing"

"If you really want to use the "no limits" as an argument for him being low 1-C, you would have to remove the statements from zeno being the strongest and unbeatable, since one would contradict the other"

"Someone wishes to him "i wish you you to beat Zeno in a fight" either way, the statement of "doing anything" applies to super shenron, and the statement isn't "no one can threat Zeno" it is "no one can beat Zeno no matter what" so Super shenron doing anything would contradict that, as defeating Zeno is part of "anything"
I'm not seeing a reason why to make Shenron comparable to someone that would be stronger than him. Zeno can respect Shenron while still being more powerful than him, it could just mean that Shenron is the closest in power as an example.

Though if people want a possibly rating I won't fight it, I just don't see a good justification for it.
 
Because it causes a logical loop as detailed here

I'm not seeing a reason why to make Shenron comparable to someone that would be stronger than him. Zeno can respect Shenron while still being more powerful than him, it could just mean that Shenron is the closest in power as an example.

Though if people want a possibly rating I won't fight it, I just don't see a good justification for it.
Alright it's fine, thanks for your time 🙏
 
i do agree with a possibly, but wouldn't zeno killing someone whom SS granted immortality kinda limit SS?
i still think that zeno wouldn't say SS is limitless if he's infinitely weaker
 
i do agree with a possibly, but wouldn't zeno killing someone whom SS granted immortality kinda limit SS?
i still think that zeno wouldn't say SS is limitless if he's infinitely weaker
Zamasu lost his immortality when he fused with the timeline, he lost his mid-Godly regen when he got corrupted and if I recall he only had mid-high regen and trunks negated it with SoH
 
the profile does list his regeneration as weaker than base zamasu

idk honestly
 
Read my first few words I said when he merged with the timeline, thus that's why Zeno doesn't have immortality negation
That's because Zeno erased him on a High-Godly level, not because Zamasu's immortality became weaker.

Zeno would have erased him even if he didn't lose said immortality.
 
That's because Zeno erased him on a High-Godly level, not because Zamasu's immortality became weaker.

Zeno would have erased him even if he didn't lose said immortality.
That's only in the manga, when he merged with the timeline he only had HDE and AE and I think some more abilities, if you can prove that when Zamasu merged with the timeline he still had his godly regen then make a crt about it
 
That's because Zeno erased him on a High-Godly level, not because Zamasu's immortality became weaker.

Zeno would have erased him even if he didn't lose said immortality.
zamasu has high godly regen

to kill him you would need regen neg

but fusion zamasu doesn't have high godly listed on his profile, so zeno doesn't get regen neg
 
to kill him you would need regen neg
You don't get Regeneration Negation for a killing someone with Regeneration unless you explicitly negate it. You just need to kill them on a level they can't come back from. In this case Zeno's erasure doesn't negate his regen, he just kills him on such a scale that he couldn't come back from. Like how Gohan killing Cell doesn't give him regen negation, it just means his attacks destroy things on the cellular level.
 
You don't get Regeneration Negation for a killing someone with Regeneration unless you explicitly negate it. You just need to kill them on a level they can't come back from. In this case Zeno's erasure doesn't negate his regen, he just kills him on such a scale that he couldn't come back from. Like how Gohan killing Cell doesn't give him regen negation, it just means his attacks destroy things on the cellular level.
i thought u cant overcome high godly with pure ap/EE?
 
Wait wait I'm confused, didn't beerus himself state that he can't kill Immortals, doesn't that include Zamasu's regen?
Zamazu's Regen > Haki = Accepted as destroying you on a level of Mind, Body, Soul and a Fundamental Aspect (History)

Zeno's Erasure destroyed everything within Trunk's timeline, including Space-Time along with the above. Which exceed Zamazu's ability to regenerate since he still requires something to regenerate from and whatever that something was, Zeno destroyed.

To qualify as power nullification you have to nullify that power directly. The page says as much
Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to nullify the powers and abilities of others, preventing or disabling their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type of power, such as supernatural phenomena in general, or magic. In some cases, an ability can only be negated once it's been used or activated, but in others, powers can be nullified before they're even utilized. The effect may be temporary or permanent, and may be restricted by touch, or be something that the user can apply to any ability they see, or within a field that negates any powers within.
Zeno didn't negate anything, he just killed him so hard he couldn't come back.
 
Wait so there's such a thing as having High Godly Regen with the specific type of regeneration of coming back from being destroyed at the Space-Time level?
 
Wait so there's such a thing as having High Godly Regen with the specific type of regeneration of coming back from being destroyed at the Space-Time level?
High Godly is just Mind + Body + Soul + Some random fourth thing. In this case its "History"

Zeno destroyed him on Mind + Body + Soul + History + Space-Time

He couldn't come back, because he still requires some aspect to regenerate from and that aspect was destroyed by Zeno. That's just how the power works.
 
High Godly is just Mind + Body + Soul + Some random fourth thing. In this case its "History"

Zeno destroyed him on Mind + Body + Soul + History + Space-Time

He couldn't come back, because he still requires some aspect to regenerate from and that aspect was destroyed by Zeno. That's just how the power works.
Didn't Gowasu state that in exchange of his physical body he became justice and order itself?
So how could Zeno destroy him on Mind, body, soul, etc.

 
So how could Zeno destroy him on Mind, body, soul, etc.
By erasing him. Like, that's just how the scene works. Zeno erases him on a such a level that he can't come back from. His High Godly regen can't regenerate from the scale of Zeno's erasure.
 
By erasing him. Like, that's just how the scene works. Zeno erases him on a such a level that he can't come back from. His High Godly regen can't regenerate from the scale of Zeno's erasure.
Again he lost his high-godly regen after getting corrupted and only had mid-high regen and completely lost his regen after getting rid of his physical body and became one with the timeline (justice and order)
 
Again he lost his high-godly regen after getting corrupted and only had mid-high regen and completely lost his regen after getting rid of his physical body and became one with the timeline (justice and order)
Sure I guess. But my point was that you don't need High-Godly regen negation to kill Zamazu. You can do that with intense enough EE.
 
the profile doesn't list high godly for infinite zamasu in the first place so idk
 
IZ does not have any form of regeneration in its profile, nor does it resist EE. So if it were erased by any EE even without a historical level, well, it would go from F.
 
It's one of those situations where "it just makes sense", but the verse doesn't elaborate enough.

It literally just needs one simple statement of "he can restore timelines" and that's that. But I guess they are avoiding being completely direct with it in case they want to introduce another thing later down the line.

Just some thoughts.

I think I'll switch to neutral, unless someone can find that Zen'O statement that's been alluded to.
 
I missed this thread, and wth you guys are even arguing??, why IZ and regeneration get mixed into this??

Anyway, if Possibly Low 1-C get accepted then it should be present on profile as 2-C, Possibly Low 1-C with wishes
 
oh, i thought he meant he was looking for the scan with zeno stating that shenron could do anything.
I understand you, Zeno himself mentions that he can do anything, i think that would be good solid evidence, there is also the fact that Zeno has no resistance against reality manipulation, unless someone proposes that Zeno can resist all the verse hax and even the Ss's reality manipulation, Zeno would be a victim of the Ss for not having resistance.
 
2 Staff saying Yes and 1 Rejecting it. Though since there was no push back the other two staff may want to recomment.
It's one of those situations where "it just makes sense", but the verse doesn't elaborate enough.

It literally just needs one simple statement of "he can restore timelines" and that's that. But I guess they are avoiding being completely direct with it in case they want to introduce another thing later down the line.

Just some thoughts.

I think I'll switch to neutral, unless someone can find that Zen'O statement that's been alluded to.
Zeno himself mentions that he can do anything and speaks for the second time, i think it's pretty solid evidence of Zeno, well, that includes erasing even Zeno himself, since Zeno can't resist against manipulation of reality



Do you think he could earn low 1-C based on Zeno's statements?
 
Do you think he could earn low 1-C based on Zeno's statements
According to your arguments, because Zeno doesn't resist Reality Warping, it would never scale to AP. Since Sheron could be 11-C and still turn Zeno into a carrot if he wanted to.

So power is just his highest displayed feat, which is Tier 2.
 
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