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Wait that is in reverseGoku blows up the planet
Goku proceeds to give him a senzu bean and make him fight his son GG
First off I know giving the new chapter people would think that Saitama's reactive power level is better than Goku's but I'd like to argue against it. Going as far back as the frieza saga when Goku was completely outclassed by frieza, Goku grew in power during battle to the point he was toying and then eventually fodderized frieza. The same thing happened in the cell saga but with vegeta, android 18 was shocked how much vegeta grew in power after such a short time. Strong enough to fodderize imperfect cell. Moving forward to DBS we have Goku doing the same thing but an even higher scale. Anyways as for the match upRound 1: Both are in-character, Goku starts in Base
Round 2: Saitama is bloodlusted, Goku starts in his Perfected Ultra Instinct
Just.. no.First off I know giving the new chapter people would think that Saitama's reactive power level is better than Goku's but I'd like to argue against it. Going as far back as the frieza saga when Goku was completely outclassed by frieza, Goku grew in power during battle to the point he was toying and then eventually fodderized frieza. The same thing happened in the cell saga but with vegeta, android 18 was shocked how much vegeta grew in power after such a short time. Strong enough to fodderize imperfect cell. Moving forward to DBS we have Goku doing the same thing but an even higher scale. Anyways as for the match up
During the namek saga, Goku went from planet level to star level+ in a matter of hoursGarou went from city level to 5-C in a matter of hours, he can grow several times stronger in moments, and Saitama's RPL dwarfs his. Goku's RPL growth is minor compared to that.
Maybe you should Go back and rewatch Dragonball. And idk why you're excluding transformations when that's how Goku and other characters in Dragonball increase in power.Goku has no instances of growing EXPONENTIALLY, as in, literally multiplying his power by the second without transformations (Basically every single attack in the fight). He absolutely can not keep up with Saitama's Accelerated Development.
Because transformations are Direct Amps, not Reactive Power level or Accelerated Development.Maybe you should Go back and rewatch Dragonball. And idk why you're excluding transformations when that's how Goku and other characters in Dragonball increase in power.
Wow where haven't I seen this? Garou doesn't have better RPL than Goku, that's another argument and I wouldn't want to derail from saitama v Goku. Goku also did this in the namek saga. From being overwhelmed by 50% frieza to fodderizing him, and even best 100% frieza.Garou has better feats of Reactive Evolution than Goku, and even that PLUS Power Mimicry was unable to keep up with Saitama at all. Saitama went from fighting seriously to casually obliterating him in seconds.
Proof that Frieza can multiply in power and copy Goku's power at the same time?Wow where haven't I seen this? Garou doesn't have better RPL than Goku, that's another argument and I wouldn't want to derail from saitama v Goku. Goku also did this in the namek saga. From being overwhelmed by 50% frieza to fodderizing him, and even best 100% frieza.
1. Goku had to unlock freaking Super Saiyan to fodderize Frieza. That's not reactive power level. As for Vegeta, he trained in the RoSaT for an entire year to get to that level of power. Saitama's Reactive power Level made him start at being able to eviscerate half of Europa's surface with a serious table flip (europa is smaller than Earth's moon) to casually sneezing Jupiter's gasses away in a matter of minutes. That's almost on par with Broly's reactive power level.First off I know giving the new chapter people would think that Saitama's reactive power level is better than Goku's but I'd like to argue against it. Going as far back as the frieza saga when Goku was completely outclassed by frieza, Goku grew in power during battle to the point he was toying and then eventually fodderized frieza. The same thing happened in the cell saga but with vegeta, android 18 was shocked how much vegeta grew in power after such a short time. Strong enough to fodderize imperfect cell. Moving forward to DBS we have Goku doing the same thing but an even higher scale. Anyways as for the match up
Round 1: Goku is in base and has equal stats with Saitama. Goku should take this because Goku can multiply is power 10x 20x with kioken, 50x with Ssj, 100x with ssj2 and 400x with ssj3 and even astronomically higher with God form and still stack Ssj and kioken multipliers on top of this. I don't see in anyone's mind would think Saitama would win because in this new chapter he had a zenkai boost. Anyways this isn't like Garou where he is matching saitama with equal force. Goku would match him with equal force in base and then go astronomically higher with transformations.
Round 2: Goku starts out with MUI against saitama. Equal stats as usual. Goku should have the advantage being able to passively dodge Saitama's attack and hit harder and sharper with each strike.
Tho I don't have a counter for Saitama's Time reversal. Isn't that a one time thing? And if we're including it I don't think it would be in Saitama's character to use it. And I doubt saitama would knock Goku out with one punch in a stats equalised match even if that happens.
Transformations and reactive power level are two different things. Goku's base form wasn't increasing exponentially. Kaioken and the SSJ forms are multiplicative power-ups, that is different from Saitama just getting stronger by fighting.First off I know giving the new chapter people would think that Saitama's reactive power level is better than Goku's but I'd like to argue against it. Going as far back as the frieza saga when Goku was completely outclassed by frieza, Goku grew in power during battle to the point he was toying and then eventually fodderized frieza. The same thing happened in the cell saga but with vegeta, android 18 was shocked how much vegeta grew in power after such a short time. Strong enough to fodderize imperfect cell. Moving forward to DBS we have Goku doing the same thing but an even higher scale. Anyways as for the match up
Round 1: Goku is in base and has equal stats with Saitama. Goku should take this because Goku can multiply is power 10x 20x with kioken, 50x with Ssj, 100x with ssj2 and 400x with ssj3 and even astronomically higher with God form and still stack Ssj and kioken multipliers on top of this. I don't see in anyone's mind would think Saitama would win because in this new chapter he had a zenkai boost. Anyways this isn't like Garou where he is matching saitama with equal force. Goku would match him with equal force in base and then go astronomically higher with transformations.
Round 2: Goku starts out with MUI against saitama. Equal stats as usual. Goku should have the advantage being able to passively dodge Saitama's attack and hit harder and sharper with each strike.
Tho I don't have a counter for Saitama's Time reversal. Isn't that a one time thing? And if we're including it I don't think it would be in Saitama's character to use it. And I doubt saitama would knock Goku out with one punch in a stats equalised match even if that happens.
Since when are Goku's transformations not considered RPL?Because transformations are Direct Amps, not Reactive Power level or Accelerated Development.
You're just asking for non existent proof. Frieza was already significantly more powerful than Goku, Goku being able to match and overwhelm him during battle is a massive feat of RPL.Proof that Frieza can multiply in power and copy Goku's power at the same time?
Transformations have never been RPL, huh?Since when are Goku's transformations not considered RPL?
You're just asking for non existent proof. Frieza was already significantly more powerful than Goku, Goku being able to match and overwhelm him during battle is a massive feat of RPL.
Also Goku went from planet level to star level+ in a matter of hours
Okay my bad for including transformations then... I'll use other instances thenTransformations and reactive power level are two different things. Goku's base form wasn't increasing exponentially. Kaioken and the SSJ forms are multiplicative power-ups, that is different from Saitama just getting stronger by fighting.
I think going from planet level to star level+ in hours is a much better featGarou went from 7-B to 5-C in far less time than it took Goku to do that tier jump.
Since RPL was even a thing.Since when are Goku's transformations not considered RPL?
You're just asking for non existent proof. Frieza was already significantly more powerful than Goku, Goku being able to match and overwhelm him during battle is a massive feat of RPL.
Also Goku went from planet level to star level+ in a matter of hours
he starts as Planet level in the Saiyan sagaI think going from planet level to star level+ in hours is a much better feat
You are objectively wrong, then.I think going from planet level to star level+ in hours is a much better feat
My man's had to pull out the objective facts on him. Let 'em breathe.You are objectively wrong, then.
The difference between peak 7-B and baseline 5-C is 4.7105678e+12x
The difference between 5-B and peak 4-C is 13000240795.9x
Not even comparable.
Okay... I'd like to use the instance of Goku's ssb going from 3-A to low 2-C within minutes (the time frame of the Top)he starts as Planet level in the Saiyan saga
waits like a week since he nearly died
trains to become like dwarf star level after another few days
nearly dies again
and comes back still dwarf star level
He never reaches star level without kaioken or super saiyan, and the massive jump in power he gained between sagas was due to 2 Zenkais plus training over the course of several days. Saitama mimicked that within minutes
Okay I'd concede to that point then...You are objectively wrong, then.
The difference between peak 7-B and baseline 5-C is 4.7105678e+12x (Lowballing for Garou)
The difference between baseline 5-B and peak 4-C is 13000240795.9x (Highballing for Goku)
Not even comparable.
@PhoenksOkay... I'd like to use the instance of Goku's ssb going from 3-A to low 2-C within minutes (the time frame of the Top)
That was via a power up/transformation wasn't it?
It's fun and games, it's fine. I'll be updating the pages within the next few days.This entire thread is the very definition of bitchless behavior.
It isn't... Seeing as how Goku went from being one finger blocked by a heavily suppressed jiren to keeping up with a jiren who was finally showing a hint of his real powerGarou went from city level to 5-C in a matter of hours, he can grow several times stronger in moments, and Saitama's RPL dwarfs his. Goku's RPL growth is minor compared to that.
No... Goku's SSB grew in power over the course of battle in the TOPThat was via a power up/transformation wasn't it?
By default, the difference between 3-A and 2-C is considered unqualified to measureOkay... I'd like to use the instance of Goku's ssb going from 3-A to low 2-C within minutes (the time frame of the Top)
Pretty sure the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C is infinite.By default, the difference between 3-A and 2-C is considered unqualified to measure
Via a zenkai and Frieza's help. Not by himself.Okay... I'd like to use the instance of Goku's ssb going from 3-A to low 2-C within minutes (the time frame of the Top)
That automatically makes Goku's RPL>>> Saitama's. And I thought this was stats equalised match up. How did it get to who has better RPL?By default, the difference between 3-A and 2-C is considered unqualified to measure
Reactive Power Level means improving mid battleThat automatically makes Goku's RPL>>> Saitama's. And I thought this was stats equalised match up. How did it get to who has better RPL?
He did by himself... Frieza didn't help Goku until after MUI v jiren fight. This happened after Goku's second UI sign transformationVia a zenkai and Frieza's help. Not by himself.
Goku improved drastically during the battle of TOPReactive Power Level means improving mid battle
Goku also grows drastically mid battle. This was shown in the TOP. He didn't have any near death experience after his second UI transformation. His SSB became capable of contending with jirenGoku's Zenkais work differently. He needs to recover from near death in order to get the power boost. Which he doesn't have the luxury of doing in this fight
ok yeah that's definitely fair.He did by himself... Frieza didn't help Goku until after MUI v jiren fight. This happened after Goku's second UI sign transformation