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I am 98.99% sure Goku's mid-fight AD is not as good as Garou's outside of the 3-A to Low 2-C stuff which apparently is not accepted on the wiki.By the way all of what I sent was how Garou grew during fights.
I expect the Goku supporters to provide feats of his mid-fight AD as well.
Let's compare.
We won't bother to tryhard in a fun and Games thread though xD If this was a regular one, I am sure we will surpass Julius vs Zeldris in terms of pagesI expect the Goku supporters to provide feats of his mid-fight AD as well.
So what I'm hearing is that you concede?We won't bother to tryhard in a fun and Games thread though xD If this was a regular one, I am sure we will surpass Julius vs Zeldris in terms of pages
Power creep, my good friend. Power creep.Remember when peeps thought Saitama couldn't get any stronger way back during the "OG" Saitama Vs Garou fight? Good times...
Now you've created a mini-Kars I hope you're proud of yourselfs KEK!
Goku: 4-B to 3-A in one fight short fight.No one, based on what you've said.
Anyway, let me lay out the facts here.
Garou went from 7-B to Low 6-B in two fights.
Multiplier: 224,280x
He then went from Low 6-B to 6-A in one fight
Multiplier: 793x
And then 6-A to 5-C in one more fight
Multiplier: 28,227x
Overall, that is 4 fights, and a multiplier of 5,020,285,987,080x
All of this was before he became exponentially more powerful with the help of God
Even after gaining God's power and gaining the ability to instantaneously copy power and grow past that power, to a degree far superior to anything his monster self was capable of, Saitama still vastly, and exponentially outgrew him. So quickly that his ability to copy and outgrow the capabilities of others was outmatched almost instantaneously.
It is now your turn to prove Goku has anything near this level of Accelerated Development.
Don't use 3-A to Low 2-C scapegoat this time.
I pretty much agree.Anyway...
Round 1: Goku wins because he can go into forms that instantly one-shot Saitama.
Round 2: Saitama stomps. Vastly superior AD, Mimicry, and Time Travel ***** on Goku.
Round 3: Depends on if Goku starts in base or not. If he does, then it's the same as round one. If he doesn't, it's the same as round 2.
Source?Goku: 4-B to 3-A in one fight short fight.
~10^47
Sorry, but i mean, in round 1 couldn't be possible that a stronger version of Saitama just appear as a consequence of him trascending time and space and manipulating the laws of causality in this or in alternative timelines (this is still in character, since it is what actually happened in the manga in the current timeline, where the effect preceded the cause and the fight ended in 0 landed punches from Saitama in the present; this even assuming that the Saitama that Fusioned with his future Self didn't retain his strenght and growth) and one shot (or better, zero shot) goku before he get one shotted?Anyway...
Round 1: Goku wins because he can go into forms that instantly one-shot Saitama.
Round 2: Saitama stomps. Vastly superior AD, Mimicry, and Time Travel ***** on Goku.
Round 3: Depends on if Goku starts in base or not. If he does, then it's the same as round one. If he doesn't, it's the same as round 2.
Goku going from 3-A to Low 2-C. Goku going from 4-B to 3-A. Goku growing 400,000 times stronger during the ToP, too. Nothing in OPM comes close. Let's be honest.It is now your turn to prove Goku has anything near this level of Accelerated Development.
3-A to Low 2-C was not mid fight.Goku going from 3-A to Low 2-C. Goku going from 4-B to 3-A. Goku growing 400,000 times stronger during the ToP, too. Nothing in OPM comes close. Let's be honest.
Yes it was...3-A to Low 2-C was not mid fight.
Happened in the BoG arc. SSG Goku started as 4-B and then reached 3-A due to his feat with Beerus.4-B to 3-A needs scans. Where they at?
Happened within 18 minutes, and does not involve transformations. What are you talking about?400,000x multiplier over something that lasted an hour and involved multiple fights and transformations isn't even close to anything I mentioned nor was it done via only RPL.
"Prove Goku has anything near this level but uh yeah I'm gonna stop you from using his highest feat of Accelerated Development teehee."No one, based on what you've said.
Anyway, let me lay out the facts here.
Garou went from 7-B to Low 6-B in two fights.
Multiplier: 224,280x
He then went from Low 6-B to 6-A in one fight
Multiplier: 793x
And then 6-A to 5-C in one more fight
Multiplier: 28,227x
Overall, that is 4 fights, and a multiplier of 5,020,285,987,080x
All of this was before he became exponentially more powerful with the help of God
Even after gaining God's power and gaining the ability to instantaneously copy power and grow past that power, to a degree far superior to anything his monster self was capable of, Saitama still vastly, and exponentially outgrew him. So quickly that his ability to copy and outgrow the capabilities of others was outmatched almost instantaneously.
It is now your turn to prove Goku has anything near this level of Accelerated Development.
Don't use 3-A to Low 2-C scapegoat this time.
You gonna imply he bridged the gap through finite multipliers?How long till we get a discussion rule to make the 3-A to low 2-C AD illegal
Why?How long till we get a discussion rule to make the 3-A to low 2-C AD illegal
They trying to find a way to cope.Why?
You can’t. Screaming illegal, PIS, outliers won’t help your case. Vegeta did it mid fight, Goku did it, Broly did it, basically every Saiyans that are Low 2-C become Low 2-C during a fight or abusing Zenkai.How long till we get a discussion rule to make the 3-A to low 2-C AD illegal
no I'm implying that it's a complete outlier, since it's never even implied in the plot that there was an infinite jump (twice) ever, and it's completely contradicted by the fact that he wasn't able to beat Jiren until after he got his ass kicked by him multiple times, even when he got stronger it wasn't enough. That's not mid fight at all, and besides according to your messed up headcanon, it would only even happen if the enemy was low 2-C to begin with and only seems to happen in bursts (like zenkai) while saitama's AD is exponential and constant, meaning that the moment goku catches up to him he'd be immediately left far in the dust within a second or twoYou gonna imply he bridged the gap through finite multipliers?
Broly did it via a transformation, and besides even in his strongest forms he was getting completely dominated by gogeta, without any convenient "infinite AD mid fight"You can’t. Screaming illegal, PIS, outliers won’t help your case. Vegeta did it mid fight, Goku did it, Broly did it, basically every Saiyans that are Low 2-C become Low 2-C during a fight or abusing Zenkai.
Bro doesn't even understand the meaning of outlier, this shit is hilarious. And no, it's not contradicted. Jiren's would raise his power constantly. This is proof the AD was working. And no he wouldn't just catch up and get left. He would catch up again and again until he rises to a power he needs to so he can beat him.no I'm implying that it's a complete outlier, since it's never even implied in the plot that there was an infinite jump (twice) ever, and it's completely contradicted by the fact that he wasn't able to beat Jiren until after he got his ass kicked by him multiple times, even when he got stronger it wasn't enough. That's not mid fight at all, and besides according to your messed up headcanon, it would only even happen if the enemy was low 2-C to begin with and only seems to happen in bursts (like zenkai) while saitama's AD is exponential and constant, meaning that the moment goku catches up to him he'd be immediately left far in the dust within a second or two
Bro he got beat within a few moves, why are you using that as proof?Broly did it via a transformation, and besides even in his strongest forms he was getting completely dominated by gogeta, without any convenient "infinite AD mid fight"
stop. this. stupid. bullshit.
I’m sorry but what transformation are you talking about? The Ikari, which is basically the Ozaru form that give 10* power boost? That ******* transformation is garbage.Broly did it via a transformation, and besides even in his strongest forms he was getting completely dominated by gogeta, without any convenient "infinite AD mid fight"
stop. this. stupid. bullshit.
do you not understand that this is exactly what garou was doing, and do you also not understand what EXPONENTIAL GROWTH means? it means that goku can match saitama perfectly one second, and then the next second he could already get 10 times stronger and literally one shot himBro doesn't even understand the meaning of outlier, this shit is hilarious. And no, it's not contradicted. Jiren's would raise his power constantly. This is proof the AD was working. And no he wouldn't just catch up and get left. He would catch up again and again until he rises to a power he needs to so he can beat him.
It's actually hilarious how you're constantly screaming headcanon for arguments in Goku's favor, but then wank the **** outta Saitama's AD with a bunch of headcanon.it means that goku can match saitama perfectly one second, and then the next second he could already get 10 times stronger and literally one shot him
That’s actually trueI don't mind low 2-c base goku lmao
Ah yes headcanon such as “Saitama’s growth is exponential” and then applying basic mathIt's actually hilarious how you're constantly screaming headcanon for arguments in Goku's favor, but then wank the **** outta Saitama's AD with a bunch of headcanon.
I guess it's my fault but maybe match is not the right term. He powers up enough to BEAT his opponent. Also Garou's is shit compared to Goku.do you not understand that this is exactly what garou was doing, and do you also not understand what EXPONENTIAL GROWTH means? it means that goku can match saitama perfectly one second, and then the next second he could already get 10 times stronger and literally one shot him
"He wasn't raising power, he was just suppressing himself less in a way which would raise power." Man conversing with you is hilarious. Also are you blaming Goku for a transformation? When I think about it the fact he got that transformation is probably just another AD feat lol.also Jiren wasn't always "raising power" it's just him suppressing himself less and less for most of the tournament of power, goku was still unable to keep up with Jiren's ACTUAL strength until the very end, after EXTENSIVE power amps
As I said, he doesn't AD to completely surpass his opponent. If Goku went Blue with his base above Jiren he would stomp. These arguments are bad.also he was and is still fodder to Jiren in base regardless, so it's only somewhat AD and mostly is UI getting more mastered and then him unlocking a new transformation to win.
meanwhile he still gets his ass ******* tossed around in base, so he was nowhere near to "catching up to jiren" without having accidentally discovered a new technique by getting his ass kicked. Very different from AD, and it's not gonna matter in a versus thread since we don't assume he just gets new transformations.