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Improving contents of Powers & Abilities pages
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Well, I don't have a lot of specific regulations regarding that area, other than that they are separate space-time continuums of far less than universal size, and/or contained within smaller tesseracts in a more regular universe.
Perhaps you could Google around a bit for additional information, and then present suggestions for us here?
Perhaps you could Google around a bit for additional information, and then present suggestions for us here?
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Morality Manipulation has the same "Lists an user of the ability instead of the ability in action" problem.
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Well, a pocket reality is a variable concept that's generally only seen on fiction beyond theorical ideas, and so looking up information over them for our purposes isn't a reliable way to do so.
Perhaps you could ask @DontTalkDT to comment here? As this kinda affects the tiering system for the purposes of feats related to them, after all, not all verses go straight into something being a pocket reality or not, such as cases with Kingdom Hearts and leaving some hints here and there, but no explicit mentions of Worlds being pocket realities.
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Also, this seems to have been accepted as the replacement for the current image on Pocket Reality Manipulation, can you please add it? The page is locked, after all.Here is a cropped version:
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Would something like "Pocket Realities are realms of less than universal size which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe." work?
Or is that making things too complicated? One could also just go with "Pocket Realities are realms of less than universal size." if we assume that people have the right idea of what realm means in this context.
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I think that description works.
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Any suggestions regarding the realm clarification?
One reason I used the word is exactly because it isn't overly specific. Pocket Realms can take lots of different shapes in fiction, after all.
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I mean, a pocket reality isn't necessarily inside another universe. It's just any... place (to not say realm), which separate from another universes usual space and too small to be a separate universe.
Maybe it works better if we just replace "realm" with "place" in my first suggestion?
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Ok, so should I just add "Pocket Realities are places of less than universal size which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe or other space." to an appropriate part of the page?
Made the small addition at the end to separate parts of a pocket dimension from pocket dimensions.
Made the small addition at the end to separate parts of a pocket dimension from pocket dimensions.
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"Pocket Realities are places of less than universal size for which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe or other space."
That seems fine to me. Thank you for the help.
However, would it be a good idea to use "space-time" instead of just "space"? Maybe we should use "or otherwise" instead of "or other space" as well?
That seems fine to me. Thank you for the help.
However, would it be a good idea to use "space-time" instead of just "space"? Maybe we should use "or otherwise" instead of "or other space" as well?
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Basically, as Bobsican said, I don't think time being separate is a requirement, so I think just saying space is more accurate.
"or otherwise" sounds a bit vague. To avoid the double mentioning of space, one could maybe say "separate from the regular space of any full universe or other reality besides itself".
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So far we have:
"Pocket Realities are places of less than universal size for which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe or other reality besides itself"
However, there's also cases of pocket realities being universal or above in size for some verses now that I'm checking, so perhaps the description should be edited a bit for that potential, respectively.
The types listed in Pocket Reality Manipulation also seem misleading as we don't even assume that either of them is an standard thing someone with the power can do, this can be fixed by renaming that section into just "Possible Uses", rather than "Types", or maybe even just remove them, and just list that the power is based around the creation and/or alteration of them.
While we are on that, the examples seem a bit outdated, Kami Sama Series links to "Masadaverse", which should be replaced with Shinza Bansho or so, examples mentioned with no links whatsoever should also just be removed as they just clutter the page with no reference to call, unless there's pages to link to, namely in regards to:
"Pocket Realities are places of less than universal size for which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe or other reality besides itself"
However, there's also cases of pocket realities being universal or above in size for some verses now that I'm checking, so perhaps the description should be edited a bit for that potential, respectively.
The types listed in Pocket Reality Manipulation also seem misleading as we don't even assume that either of them is an standard thing someone with the power can do, this can be fixed by renaming that section into just "Possible Uses", rather than "Types", or maybe even just remove them, and just list that the power is based around the creation and/or alteration of them.
While we are on that, the examples seem a bit outdated, Kami Sama Series links to "Masadaverse", which should be replaced with Shinza Bansho or so, examples mentioned with no links whatsoever should also just be removed as they just clutter the page with no reference to call, unless there's pages to link to, namely in regards to:
- Mutants from Chrome Shelled Regios
- Mazoku and Shinzoku from Slayers
- Fuzetsu users from Shakugan no Shana
- Gods from the Herc/Xenaverse
- Granzon, Astranagant, Valzacard and other characters and mechas from Super Robot Wars
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Okay. That seems fine then.
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I also have some issues with Underground Mobility:
The page says that it should only be given to those that are "supernaturally adept at digging below and through the ground at high speed should be allowed this power"
The problem?
This doesn't really qualify as an example for obvious reasons:
"Moles, Worms, and other animals (The Real World)"
The Underminer from The Incredibles should also be removed from the list if it doesn't have a profile to link to, as the mention becomes useless if there's nothing for the users to check regarding it on our site.
The page says that it should only be given to those that are "supernaturally adept at digging below and through the ground at high speed should be allowed this power"
The problem?
This doesn't really qualify as an example for obvious reasons:
"Moles, Worms, and other animals (The Real World)"
The Underminer from The Incredibles should also be removed from the list if it doesn't have a profile to link to, as the mention becomes useless if there's nothing for the users to check regarding it on our site.
Looking back on the thread it also seems this got forgotten.
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Bump.
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I think that we should add something similar to the quote below to the Pocket Reality Manipulation page, as it is currently far too unspecific:
"Pocket Realities are places of less than universal size for which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe or other reality except for themselves."
If the created realities are universal in size, it is Universe Creation instead.
I have renamed "Types" to "Possible Uses".
"Pocket Realities are places of less than universal size for which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe or other reality except for themselves."
If the created realities are universal in size, it is Universe Creation instead.
I have renamed "Types" to "Possible Uses".
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A caption explaining isn't needed as the picture keeps it clear, which is perfect for what we want to feature as an image, a character performing the power with the least amount of background information needed to get what it aims to do.
However, the respective character should be listed at the top of the Users section, as usual.
However, the respective character should be listed at the top of the Users section, as usual.
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Regarding this, pocket realities of universal size isn't unheard of, so I don't think we should say that any pocket reality that is universal (or above, given tier 1 versions of them existing as well), stop being pocket realities. All pocket realities of the size of a universe are a universe, but not all universes are pocket realities, in simple terms.
Because of the above, the wording could be better suited as:
"Pocket Realities are places for which space is separate from the regular space of any full universe, cosmological structure or other reality except for themselves."
I'm not too sure on this myself, so I would like to see what others think.
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I think that the currently used gif file looks and illustrates the ability better.
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I agree with looking better, but not illustrating.
It doesn't seem to show a specific sense manipulation, as Kaname creates a sort of black area which could look as a forcefield, darkness manip, illusion creation and so on, while the Fairy Tail scans specifically refer to the 5 senses.
Maybe the manga version of the Bleach scene would be better, as it may feature the actual description of what's exactly happening, but I can't help for that.
It doesn't seem to show a specific sense manipulation, as Kaname creates a sort of black area which could look as a forcefield, darkness manip, illusion creation and so on, while the Fairy Tail scans specifically refer to the 5 senses.
Maybe the manga version of the Bleach scene would be better, as it may feature the actual description of what's exactly happening, but I can't help for that.
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As said before, the issue with the current picture is that it intersects into other powers being involved, making its clarity for the purposes in here quite poor.
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I am honestly on Bob and Saman's side here. The Bleach gif is prettier, sure, but much like the whole Pocket Reality Creation thing we went through, it doesn't do the best job at stating clearly what is happening.
The manga clipping, however, does an excellent job displaying exactly what the ability does, while explaining the specific ability all at the same time. It basically removes the need for any kind of caption except to explain who is performing the feat in this scenario. I think it's a pretty suitable replacement.
The manga clipping, however, does an excellent job displaying exactly what the ability does, while explaining the specific ability all at the same time. It basically removes the need for any kind of caption except to explain who is performing the feat in this scenario. I think it's a pretty suitable replacement.
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I have this small list of critics over some powers I can bring after finishing a thread about other power I made. Which ones seem less controversial to start with?
Or would anyone like to participate on any revision there when created? I can also start with anything having contribution to make things faster.
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Few of those points seems valid, in other thread we also argued that Psychometry is just another forum of ESP. AE itself it's problematic as it is, personally, is just a mix of several powers, but user doed not need to show those, they just need a vague statement of embody something.
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I agree with all of your ideas, although I have mixed thoughts over the Immersion part, and that one is the most controversial for sure.Eficiente/SandboxP
I have this small list of critics over some powers I can bring after finishing a thread about other power I made. Which ones seem less controversial to start with?
Or would anyone like to participate on any revision there when created? I can also start with anything having contribution to make things faster.
Besides Immersion, Acausality and Abstract Existence would be quite controversial as well, everything else should be sortable without much issue.
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